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 Post subject: Re: #266 kferg v. WriterJon
Post #21 Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:14 pm 
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Sticking with the idea from my previous notes.

I did wonder if it was a good time to tenuki but he's strong in the corner and my stone on the side is looking a little too easy for him to push around. I will give reenforcing/connecting it some serious thought depending on his response.

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Post #22 Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:18 pm 
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I really really really really really wanted to resist. But:

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that's no good

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can't find a way to make that work for me

So I'll keep my stones alive and be patient

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Post #23 Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:01 pm 
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Okay the local area isn't looking too urgent now. In the interest of efficiency I think I'm going to sneak a tenuki in.

My to-do list includes building a moyo on the top (a), "invading" on the left (b), enclosing the bottom (c/d), approaching white's corners (d/e), and 3-3 invading both corners (f/g).

(d) does the most things at once, but is a bit small. I think (e) is biggest, and since it requires a response, gives me a chance to come away with sense and tick something else off my list.

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Post #24 Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:16 pm 
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Post #25 Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:19 am 
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I'm not sure if this is bigger than responding to the approach, but it should be more fun :)

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The stone R9 has no value, Black doesn't need to save it now and can tenuki.


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jlt wrote:
The stone R9 has no value, Black doesn't need to save it now...

Agreed.

jlt wrote:
...Black...can tenuki.

I'm not so sure about this. The two space extension by white starts looking big.

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...instead of this:

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Post #28 Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:06 pm 
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Well there's that pincer that I kind of thought wasn't gonna be too painful. Turns out it hurts a bit.

I di consider being slightly tricky and playing my 3-3 invasions as the standard joseki (1-9, etc...) leaves me sente to come back and defend the circled stone. However, the top left invasion leaves my approach stone facing a big old wall, and I'd rather save the bottom left invasion for when I've enclosed the bottom a bit more.

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So local responses it is. To jump (a), pincer (b), or attach (c) then?

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The pincer was my least favourite response when I first looked at them. But after doing my best to read what comes next I kind of like it. It builds territory, attacks white's pincer without strengthening it, and if white tries to swallow the circled stone I can build influence with its aji.

After something like this... I have enclosed as many extra points as white with the additional influence on the outside and irritating moves to come at (a).

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you gotta keep em separated

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Post #30 Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:50 pm 
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Looks small. At this stage of the game, corners are probably bigger. I would consider moves like

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I'm resisting my reactive instinct to try and save the circled black stone as I don't see any way of doing it that doesn't strengthen the circled white stones. Plus I think that stone can still be made to be a thorn in white's side, and I don't want to give them a chance to pull it out before I can make better use of it. So, where to tenuki...

Looking around the board I think getting a second stone into the top right is probably the best play. I do want to patch my position up around (a) & (b), and to play the big moves at (c-f). But a 2-1 advantage in a corner fight is too good for me to pass up.


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My first instinct is to invade, but that kind of deflates the approach stone below by letting white build a big old wall. I guess my options are pretty much (a), (2), or (1).

(a) violates the rule about attaching to weak stones and my limited reading abilities make it clear they can strengthen themself against the attachment and then make trouble on the top.

So, high or low? I don't really know which is better. My strategic gut says high keeps me connected and works with my general influence-based game. So I'm going with that.

I'm hoping for something like the sequence below.

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but of course, he may not cooperate

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Sorry, I've been afk for a bit dealing with some irl stuff. Am back now I hope.

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I think here we have to just hane.

I expect that he will extend and I will have to decide whether to keima into the corner, peep, connect, or make some kind of base/attack on the left.

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No problem at all, real life happens sometimes.

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So I have recently seen the joseki below. But I don't love that white ends in sente and can get the next big point. So, I might be tempted to play 3 around one of the (x)'s?

I don't really know to assess which is bigger at this point in the game. I'll do more thinking when I come back for my next move.

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gotta take care of this cut

Next he probably takes the corner, and I'll try to get something out of attacking the D14 stone

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I chickened out and went with the joseki. It works nicely on top and gives me a base.

I don't feel great about it. It can't possibly be good to let him bump my unsupported stone like that and not respond? Maybe I should have gone with the low approach on the left instead? But doing something to protect that stone leaves me with two half-formed and easily attacked groups.

@spectators: I would love to know your thoughts on my thoughts here?

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Post #38 Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:22 pm 
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Imagine a white stone at D17 instead. Feel the bigness of the corner, the strength of the black and of the white stones when they have a base versus when they don't.

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Post #39 Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:34 pm 
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Speaking of bases...white cannot let black have C14.

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I'm not sure what B will do next. I wouldn't mind if he tried to run with the D14 stone but he could choose to just leave it for now.

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