Alright, something I understand finally Interesting choice of him. But I am not sure if this exchange helped him in any way.. He could've jumped right away. Now his corner suffered greatly.

Now that I have sente, I first wanted to take the big point on top. I don't think he will tenuki, I can gain a lot territory there.

He has a lot urgent things to do now, and I am eager that this remains like that

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[go]$$c Captures: B:0 W:0 Move 14
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Here are some moves I need to remember.

a is going to attack his group on the right, I still have this move. Besides I can peep whenever I want at e, but that seems to early for now.

b encloses his corner and is more or less saying, your corner is dead, I just need to enclose it. And I think it is dead. g or one move above looks like it can save the corner, but I have some techniques such as h for example.

cis the move I will play if he plays a tenuki. Of course it depends on what move he chooses but it is so huge, I'd love to play it.

dis a move I will play if the right side feels finished for now. This could be my next move, but we will see.

Not much to say here. I am honestly just waiting until I play my move at o3/p4. I think the move above is the only one here I can make, and that bothers me a lot. I'm looking for a way to settle this so I can play away first. Of course, I could always just ignore it, but then I'd need a sequence at the bottom that lets me move to this point again first, and THAT definitely doesn't seem to be happening. So regardless, was p10 not good enough? I will have to ask that later to stronger players after the game is finished.

Alright let's see what he does. I did not want to tenuki because he has a good follow up there somehow. I want to see if he concludes to joseki with a. I don't think so though. But this will help me later.

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[go]$$m11c Captures: B:0 W:0 Move 16
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Not much to say here too. I guess it's time for my opponent to choose what to do next. I'm personally dejected that I'm unable to gain an upper hand due to the opponent's play(too solid). I tried hard to think of some moves that might lead to better situation for me on top, but this was the one that seemed the best considering my overall weak positions all over the board. Well that's how things are going to go it seems. It's not that the positions are ALL that terrible, it's more that I dislike playing moves like these. I hope to still take advantage of the bottom, of course, but it seems it's going to be difficult. I wanted to tenuki now multiple times, but the overall positions have grown too big to do so.MUST BE PATIENTTT

Seems that you dislike honte

Hehe. That's not completely true. I don't dislike honte if I felt like that was my best option in a given situation. The problem comes in that I'm not at all satisfied here with what I did as white. Hard to explain, but that's close to it. My question comes in here, "is this really honte?" I have a feeling this wouldn't be considered correct by a lot of the stronger players. Though that might have to do with a lot more than just THIS move .

Now let's see if he can live in the corner. If he does not want to, I think it's really big for me. However if he can live there, my outside will be very strong and I will be able to attack his group on the right severely. With my last move, the bottom also starts to look interesting for me.

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[go]$$Wc Captures: B:0 W:0 Move 18
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I think this is the best way he can play here. maybe exchanging b with c first. Looks like an interesting tsumego for me . I don't want to kill him no matter what, I just aim to get influence. And it looks like I will get it both on the right side and on the bottom.

Aww, what a shame, he got to it first. Although, while I'm at it, I'll probably try something there later If I can. I'm pretty sure it can still live(If I am reading it correctly). The biggest move is honestly this approach to the left side so far. My development is too slow any other way I think.

oh..he gave up the corner? or maybe he will try to live later.. anyway, i will not spent a move on bottom right if he does not of course. My next goal is to prevent w from having a bigger moyo which i would have to invade. I think i just need to keep it simple. and besides, I hate invading ;D. so the pincer here is natural. he won't push me down on top and I will make it hard for him to develop anything promosing on the left side. And still, something like a looks so nice for me.


And soon, but I think the timing is immensely important here, I will place b or something similiar. It's not that I want to capture his stones, I think that's not possible. But I will threaten to and make profit. But this is for later anyway.

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[go]$$m11 Captures: B:0 W:0 Move 21
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This looks about right for what I want this game to go towards. Well, honestly, it's more like I can't think of any move other that might give me an interesting game here. I've always wanted to try this, and for some odd reason, I PREFER this for white. I also think the pincer(or honestly any pincer) here will lead to interesting positions for white over all. I'm hoping that this move at 22 will give me an advantage to push black around with.

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[go]$$cm21 Captures: B:0 W:0 Move 22
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[go]$$cm21 Captures: B:0 W:0 Move 22
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Come on ... play the trick ...

I recently learned this trap, but no one plays this joseki, and I'm not sure I have the guts to actually try it on someone, lest it backfire.

for a trick, it does not backfire very hard, and most people fall for it hook line and sinker.

http://senseis.xmp.net/?NineteenPointTrickPlay if you want to know what Redundant is talking about. Actually, I remember this move was played in a Malkovich game by Alakazam against Magicwand back on GoDiscussions, but Magicwand handled it properly with a rather disdainful comment to the effect of "He thought I would fall for that?"

I personally would feel more hesitant to play it in a Malkovich game, where your opponent has more time to think than in real life. But I definitely wnat to play it in real life, if only I could think about it during a game.

I guess this is common sense. I predict it to be going like in the following diagram,and it could give me a quite uncomfortable position on the left side, but I don't mind giving him something as long as I ensure that I have more. So since I cannot have everything, he must get something too

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[go]$$Wc Captures: B:0 W:0 Move 22
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after this it will get a bit complicated, I will need to read deeper. But I think this is ok, all I want is to attach at ab or c.

or it will go like this, which is what I think:

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[go]$$Wc Captures: B:0 W:0 Move 22
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In this case I think I will go with a or b. that's likely. Maybe even c.

See last message. The only thing I'm thinking of is to figure out which type of pincer I should make here. Is there a choice? We'll see.

yeah

I think I can take the gamble on what this will lead to. I THINK it's a mistake by black here. Instincts tell me it's a mistake(I strongly feel it is a mistake here). I definitely want to take advantage of it, but I am hesitant due to my habit of hastily aiming for aji to exploit. This is a blitz habit for sure. Oh well, I will push in here to see how he responds. That will decide a lot. If anything, I think if his morale is high, this should knock it down a peg or two. Still beneficial in the long run. Honestly, I have a hard time seeing what he can respond with here that would make g17 a good move for black.

Black will obviously not play any other move than F18 here. You should consider that an automatic response and read what happens after that block. If you can get something beneficial afterward, push though. Otherwise, you're only wasting a liberty and committing aji keshi.

In reality, black's move isn't a mistake, but neither is white's. I just think the thinking here is incorrect.

What sequence of moves are you expecting after your 26?

Honestly, this just opens too much aji. So I must take first. The overall development for white is opened up, whereas black is limited. I think the problem I have with any other move is that it doesn't take the most advantage of this black's weaker move? I'm aware this could be due to my bad reading too though, but that's how I feel about it. This is why I pushed directly rather than trying to take it later. I sincerely feel it is not the right move for black here. I can imagine too many variations here, and that's why I just played out the first move to get it out of there. Also, as I said, a big part is just morale killer. I think for black to make this move, he was feeling very good. I want to disrupt that feeling by far. To me, that is reasonable. I can see the reason why it might be called hasty, and it's why I was hesitant to play the move here.

Lastly, let's not forgot. I play this game to experiment and have fun. Winning a game means very little for me. I want to have fun while expanding my knowledge of the game. If I win, it's a nice bonus, but not really why I'm doing this at all.