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by EdLee Wed May 09, 2012 11:20 am
Drewch,
(1)
In general (say, on an empty board) how would you rank these (from biggest to smallest) -- (a) sides; (b) center; (c) corners ?
(2) Follow-up question:
Drewch wrote: gain large territory in the bottom middle.
How does your "bottom middle" idea fit in your answer to (1) ?
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by Drewch Wed May 09, 2012 11:23 am
EdLee wrote: Drewch,
(1)
In general (say, on an empty board) how would you rank these (from biggest to smallest) -- (a) sides; (b) center; (c) corners ?
(2) Follow-up question:
Drewch wrote: gain large territory in the bottom middle.
How does your "bottom middle" idea fit in your answer to (1) ?
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by EdLee Wed May 09, 2012 11:42 am
Boidhre,
Boidhre wrote:
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; instead,
starts an attack on the
group while expanding the lower right moyo --
W would be too busy to worry about (a) or (b):
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by EdLee Wed May 09, 2012 11:48 am
Drewch,
No problem.
Drewch wrote: I know that the order that you should get them in are: Corner, side, middle
Could you explain this discrepancy? Why would "the order you should get them" be the exact opposite of the bigness ordering?
In other words, if the corners are the smallest (as you say), then why should you take the corners first?
Similarly, if the center is the biggest (as you say), then why should you take it last?
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by Drewch Wed May 09, 2012 12:00 pm
EdLee wrote: Drewch,
No problem.
Drewch wrote: I know that the order that you should get them in are: Corner, side, middle
Could you explain this discrepancy? Why would "the order you should get them" be the exact opposite of the bigness ordering?
In other words, if the corners are the smallest (as you say), then why should you take the corners first?
Similarly, if the center is the biggest (as you say), then why should you take it last?
@EdLee
The reason for taking them first is because corners are much easier to get then middle, and sides are next easiest, and the middle is the hardest to get.
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by Drewch Wed May 09, 2012 12:14 pm
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I think I am not typing out my plan properly, so I'm going to make a diagram for how I think it is going to go:
On the left side it is the attach and extend joseski:
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Sorry, I couldn't have the numbers on there properly. But after the left, I will play M4, and he will likely play Q5 starting the joeseki
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by Boidhre Wed May 09, 2012 12:22 pm
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by Drewch Wed May 09, 2012 12:24 pm
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by Boidhre Wed May 09, 2012 12:28 pm
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by Drewch Wed May 09, 2012 12:30 pm
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by Boidhre Wed May 09, 2012 12:48 pm
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Options are:
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a versus b
I'm going with b as I already reasoned that it leaves me to tenuki first and thus play a. His last stone will nullify the effect of my wall though. The other option of taking the side and corner though and giving him the outside is too generous though I think. Though definitely this is sub optimal with his last move.
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by Drewch Wed May 09, 2012 12:50 pm
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by EdLee Wed May 09, 2012 12:57 pm
Drewch,
Drewch wrote: (1) So the corners are definitely the most bang for your buck, essentially making it the "Biggest" play.
(1) and (2) still contradict each other, so you're still saying two opposite things and trying to get away with it.
Let's see a diagram with an exact count for (2). Let's see what you mean by (2).
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by Boidhre Wed May 09, 2012 12:59 pm
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Joseki. Like I said though, sub-optimal.
This beckons though:
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by EdLee Wed May 09, 2012 1:00 pm
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. Instead:
starts an attack on the 
group while expanding the lower right moyo --
