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@Jedo:
Yeah, I'm kind of in agreement with the previous two, though slightly less strongly:
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[go]$$Wcm17
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O B B O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . X , . O . X 4 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Every single marked Black stone is now worse than a waste - they've served to make White stronger for no good purpose. If this is Black's intention, better to not start it all in the first place:
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[go]$$Wcm9
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . X . . X , . O . X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The reason I'm less critical as the others, is it may be that the cut is not going to achieve anything anyway, and that Black should never have pushed and cut in the first place. In which case, it is sometimes better to say "damn it, what a mess, cut my losses" than continue down a futile fight. If Black cannot succeed in attacking something with his cutting stones, cutting his losses is probably good.

However, I'm not sure White doesn't have something to be concerned about, as neither White group around the lower right (the two that have been cut in half) are fully settled yet. It's dead easy to settle either with sente, but not both at once. So I think Black should stick to his guns, keep White cut, and start fights, he's got plenty of stones around, and it would be nice to see F4 and J4 become useful :)

I see a sort of miai of "a" points at the moment:
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[go]$$Wcm17
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . a . O O X X O . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . X . . X , . O 2 X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby - Running Low On Titles

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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby - Running Low On Titles

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[go]$$Wcm11
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . X , . O 8 X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm very sorry for the late response, Magicwand. I've been having some late evenings at my job. Last night I was at work until 10:40pm.
I would venture to say that there is one move in this position, locally. The only other move I really feel like briefly considering is this:
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[go]$$Wcm11
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O X X 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . X , . W . X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
But that is certainly not as good since it doesn't put any pressure on white's marked stone.

I cannot think of a better move. I'm assuming MW played this to prevent me from playing this move at some point:
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[go]$$Wcm11
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O B O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . X , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Well, I take it back. When I look at the picture of the go board in my post, rather than just the ascii board, this position has its merits:
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[go]$$Wcm11
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X W W . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O B B W . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . X , . W . B . B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I still don't like it as much as it is not as pressuring on the white stone. But I do feel like I like the shape in the marked area, above.
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[go]$$Wcm11
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . X , . O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm11
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 0 . O O X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . X , . O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think that it is important for me to get my head out into the middle here. I do not think that he can kill the corner.
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . X O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O O X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . X , . O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Does anyone see magicwand's sequence? I'm drawing a blank :S
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . X O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O O X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . X , . O X X . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 4 3 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This obviously doesn't work
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . X O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O O X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . X , . O X X . X 2 3 6 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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topazg wrote:
Does anyone see magicwand's sequence? I'm drawing a blank :S
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[go]$$Wcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . X O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O O X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . X , . O X X . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 4 3 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This obviously doesn't work
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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He playing for this?
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[go]$$Wcm
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
After this doesn't he have miai to connect out to his stones or to live in the corner?
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Does anyone see magicwand's sequence? I'm drawing a blank :S
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 . . . . |
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This obviously doesn't work
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He playing for this?
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[go]$$Wcm
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
After this doesn't he have miai to connect out to his stones or to live in the corner?
Yeah, I wondered that - but he seems to be trying to kill, and I couldn't get a feel as to whether that kills everything. To me, Black can still live this way:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 5 6 1 0 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 4 3 8 . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Obviously if White lives it's still going to be painful for Black (particularly that last one, which is horrible - I don't know if the sacrifice is necessary and whether or not Black can get away with :w10: at "a", but it's a clearly living line), but I was assuming there was a guaranteed kill sequence somewhere that I just can't read.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby - Running Low On Titles

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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Well, I'd better stick my head out here to be consistent.

I'm having a bit of personal stress these days, so I am a bit slower to respond. I should still be able to play periodically, though.
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@topazg:
The "kill everything" comment should not be taken literally - it means to make things very painful for black.
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
To be completely honest, I do not know what to play here.

I think my last move produced an exchange that was better for white than black - but I'm usually nailed for being inconsistent... But it still feels like a bad move...

Is it better to play a bad move that is consistent, or to try to recover from your previous mistakes?

I don't know the answer. Maybe someone stronger knows...
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 X . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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