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by Aphelion Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:42 pm
Balmung, its your move
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by balmung Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:40 am
$$Wcm30 Captured Stones: 0 1
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college keeps me so busy.
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by Magicwand Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:46 am
for obs:
if you are sdk then remember that below shape can not be good.
i remember something similar happened on topazg's game and i also said it can not be good.
word of advice:
do not try to analyze why it is bad..just remember it is a bad shape then you dont have to think.
$$Wcm30 Captured Stones: 0 1
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by Aphelion Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:19 am
$$Wcm32 Captured Stones: W 0 B 1
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by EdLee Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:01 am
For observers:
Magicwand wrote: remember that below shape can not be good.
$$W
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$$B
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by topazg Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:11 am
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by judicata Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:54 am
Not for players:
EdLee wrote: Magicwand wrote: remember that below shape can not be good.
$$W
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$$B
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I like Ed Lee's characterization of the second diagram as "normal" rather than "correct." The more I play, the more I believe that there is rarely an "only" move (setting aside life & death issues). The player's reason for a move, I think, is really important. Pros make stupid-looking moves sometimes because they have a special reason. But it is like learning a language--generally, you should learn the "rules" and the "proper" way to write/say something, but then you can break the rules when the situation calls for it.
So I think it is important to teach people the "normal" or "proper" move; if a player considers the normal move and decides it isn't good, then he or she can choose something else.
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by Chew Terr Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:07 pm
judicata wrote: Not for players:
EdLee wrote: Magicwand wrote: remember that below shape can not be good.
$$W
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$$B
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I like Ed Lee's characterization of the second diagram as "normal" rather than "correct." The more I play, the more I believe that there is rarely an "only" move (setting aside life & death issues). The player's reason for a move, I think, is really important. Pros make stupid-looking moves sometimes because they have a special reason. But it is like learning a language--generally, you should learn the "rules" and the "proper" way to write/say something, but then you can break the rules when the situation calls for it.
So I think it is important to teach people the "normal" or "proper" move; if a player considers the normal move and decides it isn't good, then he or she can choose something else.
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by EdLee Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:24 pm
For observers:
For reference: Out of 50,744 games, SmartGo returns the following search results (both local and whole board):
$$B 0 (zero) games
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B 0 (zero) games$$B 1,002 games
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B 1,002 games
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by Tommie Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:45 am
Helel wrote:
EdLee wrote: For observers:
Magicwand wrote: remember that below shape can not be good.
$$W
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$$B
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I was actually able to find three pro games where the former was played:
(...)
(...)
Who understands move W60, resp. B61 of the second game,
Kim_Hyo-kon--An_Yeong-kil.sgf?
Could s.o. of this forum pls. explain to me, why it would be disadvantageous for B to cut with B61?
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The criticised move is technically a bump with a hane already played.
This reminds me of this sequence:
3-4 point high approach, two-space high ... . .[/go]
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by amnal Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:06 am
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by Tommie Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:17 am
Thanks, Amnal
, I'm becoming weaker.
I was aware of the aji, yet not immediatly.
----> weak
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by balmung Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:58 am
$$Wcm32 Captured Stones: W 0 B 1
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Something has been bugging me the entire game it has tempted me to resign
$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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this was what aphelion posted and since it was my first game I didn't know if I could object so I went with it.
$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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a-d look beautiful to me and are instinctive moves. firstly you extend from a solid corner secondly you challenge whites base
tell me what you think.
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by topazg Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:15 am
@Balmung
Tempted to resign?? Why?
FWIW, my feelings:
$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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by gaius Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:21 am
@ Balmung:
Yes, the pincers you post would have been perfectly natural, and they are a bit more aggressive than the actual game. However, I think the move in Aphelion's sequence is also perfectly normal and playable even on a professional level; it just gives you a nice solid corner with very few worries later on.
So no worries, he didn't trick you into any suboptimal moves
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, I'm becoming weaker.
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