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 Post subject: Re: #239 SoDesuNe vs topazg
Post #141 Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:13 am 
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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . 3 . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This was my other choice, but I decided that the area I actually played was much more "border of two moyo"-ish and deserved priority.

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Post #142 Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:58 pm 
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Reset and the suspense builds again. Thank you for playing this public game, and for all of the kibitzers, too! :D

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Post #143 Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:20 am 
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Yeah, the double Keima is never bad? : D
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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X 4 3 . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I thought about playing this (might have already wrote about it in earlier posts) but I was kind of worried about my shape. After :w42: I could play :b43: but this in itself is already uber-ugly in my opinion.
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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X 8 7 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X 4 3 . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 2 . 9 . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Dunno, something like this? Dango-alert!


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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This would be my blitz-move : D

Maybe I can come up with different ideas in the next days...

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Post #144 Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:29 am 
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SoDesuNe wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 , . . . . X , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This would be my blitz-move : D

Maybe I can come up with different ideas in the next days...


In this situation, the shoulder hit looks perfectly appropriate to me. It's certainly better than responding in gote.

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Post #145 Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:29 am 
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This one looks more appealing to me:

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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 5 . , 6 . 8 . X , . . . |
$$ | . . 0 . . . . . . O 7 . O 9 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


If white answers meekly then you can press on the right to help the moyo there (though white's knights move up top reduces that) and then happily 3-3 having made 44 inefficient. W may resist with 44 at 45 or to help corner, or not answer at 48.

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Post #146 Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:40 am 
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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I plan for something like this: Getting some stones in the center and then playing the marked stone or maybe 'a' or 'b'.

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Post #147 Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:38 am 
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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Ok, a bit of an exciting idea that might prove overplayish and a bit stupid, but I couldn't resist it. The general emphasis on the centre and attacking is not hard to see, but the damage to my lower side group could be too much to bear. What I'm trying to avoid is either of the following:

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[go]$$Wcm44 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 2 . B . 6 . 8 . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 . 3 1 O 7 . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Ok, that's horribly thin, and I'm sure Black has better, but this kind of pressed down whilst neutralising the middle plan Black might have I want to avoid ... and:

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[go]$$Wcm44 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 a . . . . 4 6 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 3 . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . B 1 . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Or :b49: @ "a", or something similar. The thing is, White's pushes don't really achieve anything. I don't have much territory at the bottom anyway, so playing this way just feels ... wrong with regards to what I've tried for on the left and top side.

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Post #148 Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:30 am 
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Did you read any sequences for your move, or just dismiss the normal ones and go rambo? :rambo: ;-)

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Post #149 Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:40 am 
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I'll be honest, at least part of my idea was basically going rambo. I have a habit of doing that when I'm not entirely convinced of the other options and how they play out.

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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . 9 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . 6 O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . a . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 6 . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 . . 8 O 7 . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I had sort of toyed with things along these lines, but I suspect I may end up doing most of my reading in a move or two. :w46: in the second one may well be a bit heavy, and I might play "a" with "b" if Black plays at :w46: with :b49: ... but as that "b" can still be cut, I may well not ... I'll probably regret all of this in a few moves and spend a few comments cursing my impatience as I often do, but ... well, I'd rather lose and have a bit of fun than win and not :P

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Post #150 Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:07 am 
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I'm sorry, I don't have much time right now to think about good moves here.

If it's okay for you, I would halt this game until - most likely - mid october. Otherwise I'll resign and thank you for the game =)

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Absolutely fine to put it on hold by me :)

If you remember, PM me when you move just so I don't forget about it!

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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Uh, trying to settle, I guess. Until refutation this move looks interesting to me : )

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[go]$$Bc Maybe?
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . d . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . 3 . . X b . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 1 . . a O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Haven't deciced whether playing 'a' or 'b' next. First instinct was 'b' but 'a' robs me of my base and easily settles White's stones. 'a' on the other hand feels cramped and after White 'b' I feel an ugly fight within White's sphere of influence will ensue...

'c' and 'd' are also somewhat contenders.

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Post #153 Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 3:20 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Well, I'd forgotten all about this game! I must admit, looking at it now, I don't like it much, although mostly I still feel my top left result was rather poor. However, one must work with what one has, even if it doesn't feel like very much, and I think I need a move the offers some consistency with the modest level of thickness I've built up above.

I had considered stabilising the bottom:

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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 . . 7 O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This is huge for both of us, but it sort of damages my last move:

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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 0 5 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 8 4 , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 . . 7 O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Now this sort of semi-moyo-connecty buildy stuff has all sorts of holes in it. It'll be painful if Black settles that easily on the side, but I feel I ought to commit to what I've started. I expect black to slide and then block at the bottom. Something like this:

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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X b . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . a . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . 6 . . 0 O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . d . . c . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Then I need to decide whether to play a move like "a" directly, or jump up with "b" and see if anything sticks in my head regarding a future strategy. I may also descend at "c" if it makes a big enough threat of "d", but some of the reading there is distinctly tricksy. One thing I am sure of is that Black sort of has to settle his group down there, so I'm hoping to build a natural wall from these exchanges. A hane instead of "c" is also a good forcing exchange for the bottom if I am going to tenuki, but then I pretty much wreck much hope of pushing that group around at any point :(

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Post #154 Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:06 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


First solidifying then reducing? Something along these lines?

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Post #155 Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 2:03 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . 6 . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


The only move really. It's points (and quite a few of them), and helps keep Black from settling too easily with points himself. Time will tell whether he takes the move I predicted at J3. If he doesn't, I absolutely have to have a long hard think about the best move down there, as he's unsettled enough that it's a super big place to play. If he does, I have to decide how much to be willing to let go of. For example:

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[go]$$Wcm44 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . 7 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . 9 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X 8 . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . 2 . . 6 O 0 . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This kind of thing feels horribly big on the bottom, but maybe there's enough central potential to warrant it?

Some thought will be needed, which I'll endeavour to post when we get there.

EDIT: :w52: above really does look like it smells of something despicable. Playing it at :b53: must be better, for so many reasons.

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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . 6 . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


The only move really. It's points (and quite a few of them), and helps keep Black from settling too easily with points himself. Time will tell whether he takes the move I predicted at J3. If he doesn't, I absolutely have to have a long hard think about the best move down there, as he's unsettled enough that it's a super big place to play. If he does, I have to decide how much to be willing to let go of. For example:

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[go]$$Wcm44 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . 7 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . 9 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X 8 . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . 2 . . 6 O 0 . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This kind of thing feels horribly big on the bottom, but maybe there's enough central potential to warrant it?

Some thought will be needed, which I'll endeavour to post when we get there.

EDIT: :w52: above really does look like it smells of something despicable. Playing it at :b53: must be better, for so many reasons.


Did you consider the slide to H2 by any chance? If so, what did you think of it?

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Did you consider the slide to H2 by any chance? If so, what did you think of it?


Yeah, I considered doing something on the lower side, but it felt inconsistent with what I'd been doing:

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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . B , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . 0 . . 6 . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


The marked Black stone doesn't feel all that important - as soon as Black gets this :b49: , I feel like I've lost points and sente. I sort of have to block or my left side gets a bit trashed, and if I respond, I've let Black get points and settle in sente, which makes me sad. I don't feel I can attack the marked stone in sente, which means I'd sort of have to take gote twice to eat it, and even then I'm unsure if I've reclaimed the points I lost in the corner (furthermore, it still retains too much aji for my liking).

In the game position, I'm also slightly biased by the followups I have which also appeal:

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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . x . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . 6 x x . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . x 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


depending on what Black does, all of the marked points offer some kind of interesting value to me.


Further thoughts:

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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | d . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . b X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . a X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . c O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . e . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . 6 . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I absolutely must make this a-d exchange soon I think. If I'm serious about making points on the left, the aji at "e" is horrible. And either I take sente or I think he dies in the corner, so why I've left it this long is a bit beyond me!

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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 . . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . 6 . . 0 O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100: 1
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 0 . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . 6 . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I really wanted to play this. Looks dicey, but also like a lot of fun : )

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[go]$$Wcm50 :b1: :w100: 1a
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 2 X X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . O . 3 X 5 . 1 O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Ouch.

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[go]$$Wcm50 :b1: :w100: 1b
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 3 X X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 2 1 O 5 . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Ouch.

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[go]$$Wcm50 :b1: :w100: 1c
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . 0 2 4 X X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . O . 5 X 9 3 1 O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X 6 8 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


It hurts immensely but I wonder whether I have really good Aji here?

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[go]$$Wcm50 :b1: :w100: 1d
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 . O 7 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 4 . 6 . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 2 . X X 8 . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 3 1 O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Seems better but solidies both the Moyo and White's bottom group.

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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100: 2
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 . . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . 6 . . 0 O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

What about this?

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[go]$$Wcm50 :b1: :w100: 2
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 3 2 4 9 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X 1 . 5 . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 8 6 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Looks playable. Of course :w50: is not a particualr good move, I think, but the most agressive, which I tend to read first (and most of the times it's also the only move I read). I guess I'm fine here, yes, I'm fine : )

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Post #159 Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 1:44 am 
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[go]$$Wcm50 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . 1 X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


So, making this exchange whilst I think it's sente, and will then most likely probe in the top right corner before deciding what to do on the bottom or the right hand side. Some thoughts so far:

That black :b49: is really, really big. I figured he'd play there, as otherwise I get to play on the bottom and have a settled group whereas his floating. The current position is the exact reverse. My bottom group is floating, and his group is more or less settled. I should get C2 in sente however, which is at least worth a decent number of points.

So if the difference between one being settled and the other not, or vice versa, is so big, why did I let it happen? Honestly, I'm not sure if the exchanges were in my best interests, I'm feeling somewhat unconvinced by my :rambo: move of :w44: .. another simple way to play would have been:

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[go]$$Wcm40 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . W . . W . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 6 4 . . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 7 . 5 O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This is quite possibly superior in every way. My concerns were that the 3-3 is still open, and Black has succeeded in pressing White's position in sente. In the actual game, I have a lot of potential in the centre, and have secured the 3-3, with the possibility of securing the corner further, possibly in sente.

That's not to say my other idea is better, I'm beginning to suspect :w44: is a mistake, but I was conscious that having exchanged all the marked stones (above) for White, I wanted to have a plan that tried to make the most use of them. It's undeniable I'm taking a loss in return, the shape of :b43: :b49: and the White stone at L3 is pretty unbearable really, particularly as I want to save R4 at some point later, and "running out" with the group could damage that stone in the process. In contrast, I now have a rather huge moyo, invading which will be somewhat tricky I hope.

This is the sort of position that I find very hard to analyse post game. If I make a giant moyo on the left/middle, and win the game because of it, it will all feel like a great inspiration and the winning theme/idea. If I get invaded and badly reduced, it will feel like a terrible mistake and a bit of a disaster. The problem I will have is it won't be clear whether the success or failure of that said invasion will be due to what's happened so far, or subsequent bad play by either side.

Still, the game certainly promises to be interesting, and from that perspective at least it feels like a win :)

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[go]$$Wcm50 :b1: :w100:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X , X O X X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . 1 X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


No choice : (

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