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Author: | siowy [ Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:37 am ] |
Post subject: | #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
We're playing an even, open-reference game. The easiest way to post the board diagram is to just view and then copy the diagram code from your opponent's last post. Have to be careful not to quote, as this would reveal your opponent's hidden comments. Alternately, programs like Drago can create ASCII board diagrams of the kind used here. Also see Joaz' post. I'll go black just for convenience, if that's alright. 7.5 komi.
I normally play hoshi. It's flexible. |
Author: | cobrahc [ Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
No problem, it works for me. I will try to post often but depending of my time (work/home schedule) I may delay to respond sometimes. Anyway, GL;HF.
Why not start with a 4x4. Since he's stronger than me, I think he may try to complicate things. Since its been a long time the last game I played with a black/white crossing at start, I dont want it to happen here. |
Author: | siowy [ Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
Great!
Again, just simple hoshi. I could play komoku to try to get 'more space', but I'm fine with simply being first to kakari, assuming he takes his UL. |
Author: | cobrahc [ Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
I will edit later to put some comments about this move.
I usually like to have a 4x4 and 4x3 stones. Although here playing 4x3 looked better for black and/or would complicate for me. Nothing against complication and fight, just want to have a good framework before it starts.
This doesnt look that bad, but black would keep sente.
If I dont respond, I'm afraid that black can come back later and get more of the left side and lower left.
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Author: | skydyr [ Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
Assuming the ranks claimed by your profiles are accurate, why is siowy taking black? |
Author: | cobrahc [ Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
I though about asking to take black. But recently I've been playing as black most of the time. Since I play offline most of the time and everyone that I play with is stronger than me, I usually get handicaps or I start with black. I though this time would be nice to play as white. |
Author: | siowy [ Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
First to kakari!! |
Author: | cobrahc [ Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
With the 2 stars points I think he going for influence. So Im thinking about this exchange below. However, Im not sure if its a good idea (Need to try different variations and see what may happen). In addition, he may just jump to `a` instead of 3 for example.
The idea is to get some kind of influence to the left side and center. Although, Im not sure it is a good idea and if he will just follow the joseki. |
Author: | siowy [ Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
If he replies again with keima, I should have advantage. I will go sanrensei. If he pincer, I will go to the corner. |
Author: | cobrahc [ Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
@Uberdude: sure.. It indeed make it more easy to follow up. Initially I though about doing something on the lower left, something like A or B. But leaving C for black is kind of outside my comfort zone. I will try to read more about it later today.
I think he knows I will not complicate things at the fuseki, probably why he didnt respond first at the bottom left. That said, I dont think he will just follow a well know joseki. Something like this?
I think he will just play to improve his top moyo and if he does, my initial idea would be this follow up. The question is, after 2 does he need to respond? Like 3? and is 4 good idea? Can he just tenuki to `a`? I will try all these and other variations later.
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Author: | Uberdude [ Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
Hi folks, I suggest you use W/B to draw a dot on the last stone played, or use numbers to make the diagrams easier to follow.
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Author: | siowy [ Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
thanks uberdude! I'm happy now. |
Author: | cobrahc [ Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
Most of the options that came to my mind so far didnt looked good for white. So I decided to do this pincer. The idea is to use this alone stone to get influence to center/right.
Maybe this can happen? He will probably not play where I expect.
Anyway, all the stones on the right side are on the 4th line.. so I want to get influence on the center. For that, I want to use the lonely stone on the bottom/left side. Use it to run and build a wall for me.. or if he decides to take the corner, keep it there really small while getting influence.
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Author: | siowy [ Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
I'll continue to build the right side moyo, while applying some pressure to the pincering stone. My pincered stone is still okay. I can still take the corner at 3-3 or one space jump out. |
Author: | cobrahc [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
Extending here looked good for my initial idea of focusing on influence. In this situation, my extension is putting pressure on 2 of his stones. I think he will support his lonely stone on the left. |
Author: | siowy [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
I want to separate his a and b groups, so that a will be weaker. As long as a is weaker, he will not be able to invade my moyo c so comfortably. If he kicks me out of the corner with d, my shape is still fine. If not, later I can still go into sansan, which lives in the corner, from my reading(or at worst ko to live). |
Author: | cobrahc [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
I'm trying lean on his black stones to push it to the right side. This way the white group on the lower center may also use that to put pressure on the bottom center black stone. Maybe 'a,b or c' was a better option for white, that could accomplish the same thing and also make it harder for black to invade the left side. But I saw some forcing moves that could make black stronger on the center.
Will he keep going to the center? Maybe a knight's jump? Like this, after he may want to do something like to put pressure on the left side?
Maybe he will just invade the left side and use it to help his stones to attack the white group. Maybe he will try to separate my 2 groups directly. Lets see how he wants to play it. |
Author: | siowy [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
His shape seems weird here to me. I feel like I can play a good sequence in the LL, but I don't want to play wrongly and make it heavy, which would hurt my moyo because I might have to run a heavy group. So I'll just tenuki and expand the right side moyo. I can still make life/ko in the corner for now. It's too slow for him to kick at x, and probably overconcentrated too.
I also considered jumping up to y or z, to threaten to connect out the pincered group, and strengthen the triangled stone against a possible pincer, but I'd rather not play 'flying' stones too early, and the point at the upper side is very big. |
Author: | cobrahc [ Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
I really have no idea how to respond here. His moyo looks big and I want to attack it. Although, looks like theres a couple of plays I can use to attack and reduce it. With this move I want to secure the corner and keep sente. I hope he answer it. Im looking for the right time to play on the 3x3 upper right. |
Author: | siowy [ Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc |
This is a mistake by white. The exchange is good for black and this situation is no exception. |
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