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Offline leichtloeslich
 Post subject: Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Post #41 Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:25 pm 
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Pippen wrote:
I took leichtlöslich's choice, but after re-checking, it was hidden, so maybe not meant to be an actual offer.

Apart from the button you needed to click to actually see my post, there were other subtle hints.
Like "my first instinct" written above and "seems vulgar" written below the diagram.

And in case anyone is wondering: My post hasn't been edited. The diagram was in hide-tags the whole time.
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Offline Pippen
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Post #42 Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:06 pm 
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What's up? Any dan with an answer for black or is white already so lost that it makes no sense?
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Offline drmwc
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Post #43 Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:27 pm 
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Double hane. I am on my phone, so I cannot post a diagram. (Assuming I am the correct main line, of course!)
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Offline leichtloeslich
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Post #44 Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:44 pm 
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drmwc wrote:
Double hane.

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[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Offline Pippen
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Post #45 Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:59 pm 
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[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X W . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Offline leichtloeslich
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Post #46 Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 5:24 pm 
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you may as well have written a trigger for that. Obviously black connects.
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Offline Pippen
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Post #47 Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:06 pm 
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If nobody complains I will continue like that (I marked the moves). So next Black to play.

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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 4 . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Offline yoyoma
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Post #48 Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:10 pm 
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Paging Ed Lee -- ripped shape incoming. :lol:
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Offline shapenaji
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Post #49 Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:55 pm 
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[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . B X a . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


What? you thought we'd play a?

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Offline Pippen
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Post #50 Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:05 pm 
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[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Do you know how it is short before you feel something was wrong with the food? Same feeling for me here^^. On the up side my stones on the right side are roughly connected and Black's lower moyo still has some holes.

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Offline Loons
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Post #51 Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:33 pm 
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This game, R10 became heavy, right?

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[go]$$B This seems way more natural?
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

It seems black could have preferred to pincer.

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[go]$$Wcm10
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . 1 . 4 . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I think :w12: makes :w10: look foolish.
And :w14: provides impetus for a splitting attack against R10.

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Offline Bill Spight
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Post #52 Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:48 pm 
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yoyoma wrote:
It's an interesting game. I find myself confused how to play against a bunch of light moves like what white has.


Well, IMX most amateurs do not play this way, so it is unfamiliar. Also, light play always contains an offer of a sacrifice (at least one). It is often incorrect, especially early in the game, to accept the offer. If possible it is better to up the ante, to attack on a larger scale than the offer, so that the light stones become heavy, because the sacrifice becomes too big. drmwc's double hane is a good example of upping the ante. :)

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Offline Loons
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Post #53 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:50 am 
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Just my opinion.
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . B O X X . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Offline drmwc
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Post #54 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:32 am 
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For my move, I also considered this:

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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O a . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This is calm, aims at cutting at a, strenthens the corner and builds a moyo. But it's far too calm for me!

Here's my current thoughts:
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[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O a . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X B . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This move connects all black's bits, leaves a giant cut at a, and give white shape issues on the outside. I prefer it to either of the ataris. For example, suppose whit connects one of his bits:

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[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 7 . 3 O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 5 4 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Black is around 150 points ahead. So white doesn't have time to connect at 2, and needs to play on the other side.

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[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


or

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[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 2 . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


However, the choice of move is difficult. Many moves leave white heavy. So I think black is way ahead here.
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Offline Bill Spight
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Post #55 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:40 am 
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However, the choice of move is difficult. Many moves leave white heavy. So I think black is way ahead here.


Play to make the light stones heavy. Object lesson. :)

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Post #56 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:16 am 
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Since it came from drm..., a 4d, well' continue like this, Black to play now:

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[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 5 4 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


As u can see White continues to move like a butterfly, just creating opportunities, waiting to sting into Black's moyo or to tenuki big. Tygem's SE, that I consider a better estimator, says White leads with 6.5.
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Post #57 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:06 pm 
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Pippen wrote:
Since it came from drm..., a 4d, well' continue like this, Black to play now:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 5 4 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


As u can see White continues to move like a butterfly, just creating opportunities, waiting to sting into Black's moyo or to tenuki big. Tygem's SE, that I consider a better estimator, says White leads with 6.5.


I don't know... I see the potential for weak white groups while black has been making territory. While black may want to handle the :b3: and :b5: stones now, the O13 attachment looks nice to carve off a weak white group, and there's a reason most people don't shoulder hit 4th line stones on a regular basis. If black just does something simple like N5, white's connection to the two M8 stones is also quite tenuous.

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Pippen wrote:
White continues to move like a butterfly, [...] waiting to sting into Black's moyo

The butterfly is stalking its prey, a Bengal tiger, from a distance, biding its time.
Unaware of the pursuit by this beautiful, but deadly predator, the tiger hasn't yet noticed the sword of Damocles dangling over its striped head. And it is only a matter of time until the two-winged menace will make its move..

A little boy caught a butterfly,
and said to himself,
"I must try
to understand
my life and help others.
Not just mothers and fathers,
but friends,
strangers, too,
with eyes of blue and lips
full red and round."

But the butterfly
didn't make a sound.
For he had turned
into a caterpillar,
by and by.

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Ok, before the next dan comes up with a move for Black, see this and how a strong KGS-1k can be screwed by my havoc-style :P.
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