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Violence · **#81**

emerus · **#82**

Violence wrote:

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I was going to question if profit black would gain from splitting is clearly worth it. (It probably is) It also protects from white fixing and threatening something at 'a'.

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Is this what we're looking for?

Pippen · **#83**

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Violence · **#84**

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Pippen · **#85**

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Violence honors his nickname^^. White needs to play aggressive here, enuff is enuff. Again: If someone has CS or Zen, then bring us their evalutation and suggested continuations.

Loons · **#86**

skydyr · **#87**

Loons wrote:

Pippen · **#88**

This is not only a game - it's a defense of my fuseki dogma that you not only can split immediately if you want to but even let the split become weak. When you look at the game moves 1-6 you'll know what I mean. I find it fascinating to test it against other players. I also think that this kind of (antiorthodox) opening and playing style might be humans last chance against Bots one day.

Solomon · **#89**

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Trigger:

Pippen · **#90**

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My answer is 1 and Black's answer 2 is too obvious, so I'll shortcut if nobody complains. Next one is my marked move.

shapenaji · **#91**

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Order is important here, this looks dangerous, but black is okay, we want this so that white can't take it after getting sente.

the following sequence is likely:

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"a" seems possible but overly complicated and chock full of aji, 5 is simple, he can't disconnect us, because of the following:

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Bill Spight · **#92**

Pippen wrote:

This is not only a game - it's a defense of my fuseki dogma that you not only can split immediately if you want to but even let the split become weak. When you look at the game moves 1-6 you'll know what I mean. I find it fascinating to test it against other players. I also think that this kind of (antiorthodox) opening and playing style might be humans last chance against Bots one day.

Well, it is not much of a test of the immediate split hypothesis, as ez4u pointed out, because White gets nirensei. Consider this permutation of moves.

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This is not an early split. True, you can argue that the split is premature, and you can certainly argue that it should be at "a" instead of 6, but it is hard to imagine that it loses more than 2 points or so, which is well within error, even of pro games, much less amateur games.

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This sequence is playable, although :w4:

looks like a pre-komi play. But note that it can easily be reached if :w4:

is at 6 instead.

As for letting the splitting stone become weak, as I have noted, that strategem has been known for centuries.

emerus · **#93**

Bill:

shapenaji · **#94**

Emerus:

Pippen · **#95**

Shortcutting things from 1-3. If there are some who do not agree to play 2 they may speak up, otherwise 2 is accepted. So for now, Black to play.

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Uberdude · **#96**

illluck · **#97**

Pippen, did you change your post? I could have sworn that :w3:

in your last diagram was a point above.

drmwc · **#98**

Spoliers seem less effective then normal in this game! :razz:

I think black has made one slight mistake:

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I think the marked stone was a little better at a. For example, in some of uberdude's variations white gets a squeeze which is less irritating if we can capture e.g.

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Nevertheless, black is doing well. I think I have slight preference for this line:

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Continued:

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WE have large moves at the points marked a, but first we can see how white reponds to an attack on the upper side group.

However, I can't really faoult the alternatives either sucah as

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Either of the marked stones should be playable.

skydyr · **#99**

Uberdude wrote:

Pippen · **#100**

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I go with Überdudes idea here, because it seemed the strongest to me. White cannot accept being sealed in, it would be too painful. Instead White wants to pressure the isolated black stones, maybe getting some decent territory through it that can compensate for the probable loss of those 6 right-sided stones. They have still potential to live though, even if black isolates them with the next move. If Black wants to kill them off he'd need one more move there that would give White a big point also.

@illuck: Yes, at first I had such a stone, but after calculating a bit more I found it was not so good.

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