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 Post subject: Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430
Post #41 Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:18 pm 
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Plan:

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He may, of course, also tenuki, and then a will have a rethink.

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Seems forced. :)
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Post #43 Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 6:38 am 
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I quite like this tactic in these sort of san ren sei games. The idea is to overconcentrate black on the top side (a small area as white has m18), build the left side and corner, and stop black getting much middle influence.

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Post #44 Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:47 am 
Dies in gote

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Complete joseki

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Post #45 Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:08 am 
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Will Black play this jump next? My guess is no. ;)

Edit: After posting the above, I took a peek at Black's earlier hidden comment.
I stand by my prediction. :mrgreen:

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As planned. This is of course gote, but this stone will help me to put some pressure on his N10 stone later on. E.g.

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My topside has open skirt on the right, but I hope I can take care of it later. Surely he can monkey jump, but that's not a big concern right now.

Someone commented on another Malkovich that it's fun when both players think they are winning; I may be completely misguided, but I'm totally happy with the development so far. I wont go as far as to say I'm ahead, but I surely don't feel as I were behind.

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Post #47 Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:32 pm 
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I leave the reduction of black moyo for later, now i see a way to extend my moyo
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Post #48 Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:30 pm 
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His move seems smallish to me. It helps him later to invade my top, but still. If he chooses the same joseki and continuation in the bottom, my plan is this:

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:b6: may also be at a, I haven't decided yet.

I'm not worried about his left-side moyo, as long as my right-side moyo is bigger

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Post #49 Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:42 am 
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My idea. I will get good moyo. Then if black cap

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$$ | . . . O . O 1 . . , . . . . X X X . . |
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i will go for original plan.

if black try to reduce

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[go]$$Bcm23
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O 1 . . , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . 4 3 X . . 5 . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I will put in use my invasion stone

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$$ | . . . O . O 9 . . , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ha, something new. I remember seeing this response sometimes when I first started playing around 30 years ago, but I don't think I've seen it played once after I restarted some years ago. I have no idea of the proper continuations, but luckily this is open book. This is the response that makes most sense to me given my stones at M3 & N5

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[go]$$Bcm23
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm expecting:

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . 4 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 3 . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . 2 1 X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm not sure what to do with:

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[go]$$Bcm33
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$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O 2 . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . W X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . O 3 . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's see how this goes. He's getting a reasonably sized moyo on the left. I don't mind, as long as my moyo on the right is bigger, and I can later put some pressure on his lone N10. So far I think this is working ok'ish for me.

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I will catch the opportunity to enlarge moyo, next i will to my invading stone in motion

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$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Generally speaking pushing from behind is bad. However, if we go on like this, I think I get a huge profit. Even assuming he starts to push me towards right (I'm not assuming that the game would continue like this, but just as an example):

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . W B X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . W B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W B . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W B . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . W B , . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . W B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . W B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My right side territory would be much bigger than his left (and I think I could still successfully invade at e.g. C9, but his chances of living on the right side are smaller). So, If he's happy to continue pushing, I am too.

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . X X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Change my mind from the start of the game, i think i can make good use of my lone stone trying to connect either to my upper or lover group

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move is pure intuition. I can not read how this would continue: It's very possible that he lives in the center while I build some thickness which I can later use to invade his left side. Or something entirely different.

The other move I considered was F7, but I was afraid he could tenuki too effortlessly.

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This move is pure intuition. I can not read how this would continue: It's very possible that he lives in the center while I build some thickness which I can later use to invade his left side. Or something entirely different.

The other move I considered was F7, but I was afraid he could tenuki too effortlessly.


I am surprised that he did not consider H-10.

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 Post subject: Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430
Post #60 Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:31 am 
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At tj:
How do you feel? Did you expect black to answer your last push? Do you feel happy that he ignored it, or sad and wish you had done something else? And why h11 and not h9 as this board is quite symmetrical?

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