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 Post subject: Re: #252 djllap vs topazg
Post #141 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:08 am 
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[go]$$Bcm131 :b4: :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X 1 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #142 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:20 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm131 :b4: :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X 1 4 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #143 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:12 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm131 :b4: :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . 5 . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X 1 4 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #144 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:15 am 
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[go]$$Bcm131 :b4: :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . 5 . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X 1 4 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . 6 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #145 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:46 am 
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[go]$$Bcm131 :b4: :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . 5 . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X 1 4 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . 6 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . 7 . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Interesting, looks like a mistake in my reading here. This is alive now I think .... ouch!

EDIT: Actually, maybe not... this is complicated. I hadn't read S12+S10 properly though

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Post #146 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:30 am 
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[go]$$Bcm131 :b4: :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X 8 |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 :b4: :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X a X . . 1 |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X O |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X O 2 |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
I think this will probably live. It is hard to say for sure, since it looks like W can deny Black local life, but it turns into a dangerous situation in the corner after I cut at "a". At the very ;east I think I can expect a ko.

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Post #147 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:10 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm131 :b4: :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . 9 . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X 8 |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #148 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:25 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm131 :b4: :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . 9 . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X 8 |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X 0 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


If I am not mistaken I am unconditionally alive. So I'll pat myself on the back and see what Black has in store next. Probably a big reduction in the center.

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Post #149 Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:45 am 
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[go]$$Bcm141 :b4: :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . X . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X O |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O 1 . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Still wondering what I'm missing. One of us is about to be upset. The best I can find for White:

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[go]$$Bcm141 :b4: :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . X . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X O |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X O a |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O 2 O O . 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O 1 4 O b |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X 3 . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm141 :b4: :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . X . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X O |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O 2 O O 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O 1 5 O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X O 4 9 |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X 3 6 X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X 7 . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


etc etc, I think there are too many ways to make eyes false...

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[go]$$Bcm141 :b4: :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . X . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X O |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O 3 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O 1 . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X O 4 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , 2 X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X 5 . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


He can't let me capture either ... I'm going to kick myself if I'm missing something obvious

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Post #150 Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:42 am 
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[go]$$Bcm141 :b4: :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . X . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X O |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O 2 X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O 1 . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm141 :b4: :w5:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . X . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X O |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O 2 X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O 3 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X C 1 . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X C X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . X . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X O |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O C O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X 4 X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X 5 X . X . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X O |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O C O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X 4 X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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[go]$$Wc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X X X . X . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X O |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X . X O 1 2 |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]




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[go]$$Wc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X X X . X . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X O |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O X 2 O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X . X O 3 4 |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]



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[go]$$Wc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X X X . X . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X O |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O O X X O 1 |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O X 2 O 3 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]




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[go]$$Wc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X X X . X . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X O |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O O X X O 3 |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O X 1 O 4 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X . X O 6 5 |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Hmmm...this one looks done.


@Topazg:
Did you have this read out all the way to the end when you connected at L16?

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Post #155 Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:07 pm 
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Sorry about this, you did ask :lol:

Basically, when I chose to cut at L14, I had to read it to the end. The cost of playing that move if it didn't work was simply too high to do it without being pretty confident it worked. Having said that, he made two different moves that I hadn't read (that I had to double check didn't affect the status, bit of a scary moment on those .. more details below on those two). There were a couple of headache-inducing deep reads on the way through the full first read out though (more details below also).

Firstly, the bit I thought was completely forced (I felt :b7: had to be there, due to the extra liberty if he cut at "a" later than if I connected at "a")

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[go]$$Bcm1 :b3: :w1: The forced line
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , 7 X X X a X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . 3 2 O 4 5 . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . 1 O C 6 . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X C 9 0 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm11 :b3: :w1: The forced line 2
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X 3 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . 2 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X C 1 , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]



-----
Position A
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This was the point where I really started reading, as the final position was easier to visualise and I felt everything up to here was linear. So, the moves I considered to begin with:

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[go]$$Bcm15 :b3: :w1: Initial thoughts
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X a . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O d b c . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


"a" was my original fave, but:

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[go]$$Bcm15 :b3: :w1: Initial thoughts
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X 1 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O . 3 4 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X . . 5 . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


(actually, I realised when writing this up that :b19: @ :w20: kills just fine I think, and :b17: @ :w18: looks like it works too, but I'd missed it at the time)

"b" looks like shape, but failed immediately as far as I could see:

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[go]$$Bcm15 :b3: :w1: Shape leaves miai
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . 2 . 6 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O 3 1 4 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . 5 . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


"c" looked like a way to deprive White of one of the key points in the "b" line, but ...

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[go]$$Bcm15 :b3: :w1: White can still force
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . 7 . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X 6 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . 4 2 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O 5 3 1 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm15 :b3: :w1: Similar outcome
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . 7 . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X 6 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O 3 4 1 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . 5 . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


In each line, Black desperately wanted to play Q11, so I had a look through lines as that (option "d"), and I couldn't find a refutation for Black. So Strange as it looks, that's why I played it in the end! My reading was as follows

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[go]$$Bcm15 :b3: :w1: Black plays 17 at another key point
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . 3 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O 1 2 4 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm15 :b3: :w1: Either block is the same
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . 3 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O 1 2 5 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , 6 7 . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm15 :b3: :w1: White can't hane or descend
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . 3 . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X 2 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O 1 . 5 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm15 :b3: :w1: White can't move faster without leaving other key shape points
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X 5 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O 1 9 2 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , 8 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X 6 . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . 7 . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm15 :b3: :w1: White can't move faster without leaving other key shape points
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O 1 4 2 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X 5 . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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Position B!
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However, I hadn't predicted the hane and hanging connection, figuring the ko would be unfightable, so the first "re-read" I had to do was here:

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[go]$$Bcm1 :b3: :w1: Time to reassess!
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . 3 . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X 2 b |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . a 4 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . c . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


"a" and "b" feel like the key shape points for depriving White of a second eye, but point "c" gave White such an annoying dodge:

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[go]$$Bcm5 :b3: :w1: Time to reassess!
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X 3 |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X O 1 |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X . . a |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . 4 . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Now preventing White from making an eye at "a" required winning the ko fight, and White has a fairly handy number of local threats. At this point, I can't let any part of White's shape survive, so I was logically drawn to :w8: in the last diagram

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[go]$$Bcm5 :b3: :w1: Time to reassess!
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . b O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . 1 . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Now the only possible eye points are "a" and "b", so the reading from here was fairly straightforward.

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[go]$$Wcm6 :b3: :w1: Shortage of liberties doesn't exist
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O 2 a O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


If White plays :w6: to make an eye on the edge, although "a" fails to a shortage of liberties, :b7: is forcing, after which Black can play "a" and White dies.

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[go]$$Wcm6 :b3: :w1: Shortage of liberties doesn't exist
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O 3 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O 2 . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X 1 . 4 |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X , . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


If White plays :w6: to make sure Black can't play "a" in the previous diagram because of the shortage of liberties, Black can still force and then take away the eye directly. No amount of thrashing around seems to change the result:

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[go]$$Wcm10 :b3: :w1: Thrashing around doesn't help
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O X 3 O 4 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X O 1 X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X 2 . X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm10 :b3: :w1: Thrashing around doesn't help 2
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X O 4 |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O X . O 3 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X O 1 C |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X 2 . X 5 |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . 6 |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm10 :b3: :w1: Thrashing around doesn't help 3
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O O O O . 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O X 6 O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X O 1 X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X 2 3 X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X 4 . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


So far all according to plan, albeit with a slight roadbump, but then White didn't connect my "forcing" move, and I had to double check again!

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Position C
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[go]$$Bcm1 :b3: :w1: Time to reassess!
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X a X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O 4 X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O 3 c O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X O X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X b . 1 . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Now I had to think about whether the fact "a" was suddenly going to change things. Fortunately, having to connect at "b" was no longer in issue if Black captures first, which means I get the extra tempo required to connect at "a" and still take away the eyespace at "c" anyway, reverting to the previous lines:

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[go]$$Bcm5 :b3: :w1: move 1 at the circled point
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , X X X X 3 X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . X O O O X . . X . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . X O . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O O C O O . 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X 2 X 9 O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . X . X O 4 5 |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O X . X . 6 X . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . O O O X X X X X 7 . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


So from here I think White should be dead.

Did I read it to the end back at L14? Yes. Did I read it completely so that I couldn't have messed up? No, I had to deal with two curve balls that I hadn't looked at, and was kind of lucky that neither of them changed anything really!

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It looks like i neglected a vital branch of reading, so I have to resign here.

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