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#252 djllap vs topazg
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Author:  topazg [ Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:57 pm ]
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$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . 7 . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O C 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O C C O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Having taken both the points I was worried about White taking, I'll use this moment to start pushing the boundaries of what Black may be able to get away with. There are a few points on the left and the lower right that interest me, but this area feels big. I'm also trying to work out exactly how big J17 is.

Author:  DJLLAP [ Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:43 pm ]
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[go]$$Bcm81 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O 8 . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . 7 . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O C 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O C C O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:31 pm ]
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@observers:
I might have played this:

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[go]$$Bcm81
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . 7 . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I can't say for sure that it is better, but M17 is just too submissive.

Author:  topazg [ Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:57 am ]
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[go]$$Bcm81 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O 8 . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . 7 . 9 . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O C 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O C C O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


One of the bigger considerations about J17 was whether or not White could afford to split last move:

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[go]$$Bcm81 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . 0 . . O 9 . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . 7 . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O C 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O C C O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


It's really rather ugly for White, and I'm not convinced it's playable, but not only would J17 have prevented it, it would also be mutually worth points, and give extra possibilities to the move at M16.

Sadly, it was also completely gote, and would likely encourage White to walk out towards the centre (L15 perhaps), so I decided the direction I'm playing in game is going to be bigger ... we'll just have to let that last top point resolve itself later at some stage.

Author:  DJLLAP [ Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:31 pm ]
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[go]$$Bcm81 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O 8 . O 0 . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . 7 . 9 . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O C 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O C C O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


The wedge would be the normal move here, but That really makes black's center stronger. I count myself as around 10 points behind if Black doesn't make much in the center. This way, Black might ignore my move leaving bad aji for later. It may even let me invade deeper into his territory.

Author:  topazg [ Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:08 pm ]
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[go]$$Bcm91 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O 1 O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This wedge is very gote, but it's very thick as well, so I'll take it for now. The game isn't really in a good position for a final count, but I'm feeling reasonably positive.

If anyone has any questions, ask away :)

Author:  DJLLAP [ Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:20 pm ]
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[go]$$Bcm91 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O 1 O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Author:  topazg [ Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

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[go]$$Bcm91 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O 1 O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X 3 X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Author:  DJLLAP [ Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

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[go]$$Bcm91 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Looking for a way to block the center while reducing Black's moyo in an active way.

Author:  topazg [ Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

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[go]$$Bcm91 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Mmmm, interesting. This feels like White overplay - I'm hoping I either get a target, or a wall that naturally neutralises his ability to make points in the middle, but we'll see

Author:  DJLLAP [ Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

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[go]$$Bcm91 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X 6 . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Blacks Hane looks severe, but I think it is much better for W than simply backing off with
"a". The resulting cutting points give me some forcing moves that might make a decent sized territory in the center for me, or maybe a trade where Black destroys my center, but I destroy his big right side.

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[go]$$Bcm91 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X a . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Author:  topazg [ Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

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[go]$$Bcm91 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X 6 . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . 7 X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This was the majority of my reading I did on the hane ... I did wonder about just extending to M10, but all the reading I did after White cuts here seemed to be pretty good for Black, so I guess "bring it on"?


Addition:

This I thought was the most exciting looking line:

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[go]$$Bcm97 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 4 X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 2 X O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . 6 3 1 X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . 7 . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Author:  bayu [ Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

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[go]$$Bcm91 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X 1 X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


According to the 1-2-3-principle: isn't it better to play here than to wedge? The wedge takes away a liberty and is a waste of a ko threat.

Author:  DJLLAP [ Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

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[go]$$Bcm91 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 8 X O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . b . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . a 3 X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 1 X O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . 2 X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I think this will be a success. In any case it is better for W than simply surrounding at "a" or reducing around "b", though ti does solidify B's territory as well.

Author:  topazg [ Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

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[go]$$Bcm91 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 8 X O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . 9 X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Author:  DJLLAP [ Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

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[go]$$Bcm91 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 0 X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 8 X O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . 9 X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Author:  topazg [ Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

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[go]$$Bcm101 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O X O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Author:  DJLLAP [ Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

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[go]$$Bcm101 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O X O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


considering our lack of comments in the last few moves, it looks like we both planned this exchange and both consider it playable. Considering that topazg is stronger than me, maybe I am making a mistake?

Author:  topazg [ Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

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[go]$$Bcm101 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O X O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Interesting, I didn't really expect him to push too much just in case there was something left of the aji of the stones inside my shiny new territory, but I guess this makes sense for him too, it makes some of my ideas rather tricksy to pull off.

Author:  DJLLAP [ Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

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[go]$$Bcm101 :b3: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 4 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O X O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Third times the charm.

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