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| Author: | topazg [ Tue May 26, 2015 3:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
I think it is a ko after all ... I hane the other side I think. Blimey. |
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| Author: | DJLLAP [ Tue May 26, 2015 3:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
Black can choose to lose the side and let me keep sente, or to enter a fight that looks like it ends in a huge ko that might be for the life of the huge black group on the left. I am still doing some reading as to whether the ko can be avoided, but I don't think so.
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| Author: | topazg [ Tue May 26, 2015 4:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
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| Author: | DJLLAP [ Tue May 26, 2015 4:42 pm ] |
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| Author: | topazg [ Tue May 26, 2015 5:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
I've assumed you're pushing again. Please feel free to play a different if not Wrong again, there is no ko. I would have been much better playing the hane underneath. I'm guessing I've maybe lost 15 points down there, in exchange for good access to the centre. Doesn't feel like a particularly great deal, but then the left hand side wasn't good for him either. I'm guessing the game is fairly close right now. |
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| Author: | DJLLAP [ Tue May 26, 2015 8:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
This is an offer of a compromise. If he connects at 'a' he is allowing my group to connect to the center, and keeping my center moyo intact. If he connects at 'b', I play at 'c' and we have the same ko fight we would have if I had played directly at 'c', but now Black has less eye potential.
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| Author: | topazg [ Wed May 27, 2015 3:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
Eh? Don't say I've missed something glaringly obvious again  |
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| Author: | DJLLAP [ Wed May 27, 2015 11:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
I had a brief moment of panic when I thought the ladder didn't work for here, but no worries. I am pretty happy with this result. W keeps the center blocked off and took a chunk out of B's territory on the bottom. Since trying to run with the cutting stones doesn't work, and must end in gote, I expect him to connect directly with H1. I think the best response is to catch the two black stones in a ladder with J6, but I will read some more before I decide.
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| Author: | skydyr [ Wed May 27, 2015 11:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
DJLLAP wrote: I had a brief moment of panic when I thought the ladder didn't work for here, but no worries. I am pretty happy with this result. W keeps the center blocked off and took a chunk out of B's territory on the bottom. Since trying to run with the cutting stones doesn't work, and must end in gote, I expect him to connect directly with H1. I think the best response is to catch the two black stones in a ladder with J6, but I will read some more before I decide.
I hate to spoil the party, but it looks like white's sequence includes a spurious tenuki for  . This can't end well. |
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| Author: | illluck [ Thu May 28, 2015 8:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
skydyr wrote: DJLLAP wrote: I had a brief moment of panic when I thought the ladder didn't work for here, but no worries. I am pretty happy with this result. W keeps the center blocked off and took a chunk out of B's territory on the bottom. Since trying to run with the cutting stones doesn't work, and must end in gote, I expect him to connect directly with H1. I think the best response is to catch the two black stones in a ladder with J6, but I will read some more before I decide.
I hate to spoil the party, but it looks like white's sequence includes a spurious tenuki for . This can't end well.I think 5 is the connect, but I don't think black will go this route, but will instead connect underneath? I don't actually understand why black played the kosumi the previous move, but after that move I think not connecting would be inconsistent. Edit: Wait, I'm stupid, I missed this sequence - that's why black played the kosumi:
Edit 2...: Maybe not (see below). So I guess black will just connect underneath?
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| Author: | topazg [ Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
Wow, real life eh? Very sorry for forgetting totally all about this. If you don't want to carry on, just say, that's no problem at all. Otherwise, here's my move Bah humbug, very sorry about this everyone, I'll see if I can at least finish the game. I'm very good at going totally AWOL I'm afraid, and I'm not really a fan of excuses, so I hope an apology is ok. Regarding this game, even re-reading my notes I can't quite see what I was thinking of here. Nothing really works properly... so I'm blocking here simply because White has to cut, then cut on the other side, and later capture, so even though I'm going to concede the loss of letting him out, I'd rather exchange this move before connecting underneath. I haven't counted the game, it doesn't look as good for Black as I seem to remember thinking it was many months ago, but it looks pretty playable still, even though you may find my ideas and direction may not match what I'd been thinking before I'd left. If there's any sorts of analysis and comments you want from me (for those still watching), please ask away, otherwise my comments will probably be mostly brief to prevent boring everyone Addition: My expectations:
All of this looks pretty much forced, and then saving those stones looks very heavy, so I'm going to do one of "a", "b" or "c" most likely. I may play  @  instead, but then White plays at the circled point and responds to a following by taking another liberty away from my three stones, and that feels like a poor use of the aji in the above line, so I'm guessing what you see above is what will happen. |
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| Author: | DJLLAP [ Sat Mar 12, 2016 5:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
Welcome back Topazg! After re-reading the all my previous posts, I think I remember what was going on.
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| Author: | topazg [ Sat Mar 12, 2016 7:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
Thanks, and great to see you're still around to play
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| Author: | DJLLAP [ Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
Yeah, I frequently stop playing much go for months at a time, but I always come back for more. Now if only I could get stronger...
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| Author: | topazg [ Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
So, I guess I get to pick the next move elsewhere ... something based in the middle I think |
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| Author: | DJLLAP [ Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
The funny thing about Malkovich games is that as I explain moves that I thought about in depth, I quite often re-evaluate my decision and change my mind several times. I could simply save my group, but that gives black sente and a move like "a" makes it very difficult for W to make much in the center. Especially since B can lean with "b" to make a big moyo on top. I considered playing "a" myself, but if B captures by filling in a liberty instead of connecting the outside the cutting stones at J5 is problematic. The question was how to make something in the center in sente. I think I found an appropriate answer with my move. here is my sequence:
If Black plays as above, I get sente to play "a". If black plays part of the ladder out it is a little more complicated, but I think that W's position reamains pretty strong, but now "a" is not as large, so W can rescue his stones on the side, maybe after a forcing move or two in the top left. |
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| Author: | topazg [ Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
I think this is bigger than N10, my other candidate move at the moment. It doesn't get me much, but it squeezes White's shape and prevents White from building up a dominating position facing towards the middle from up here Further thoughts: Hold on, what was White's last move?? That's locally disastrous isn't it?
Now I have at least a ko to save those stones... in sente, unless he wants me to capture the 6 stones below as well...I was expecting the following if I'd connected the lone stone instead of connecting at the bottom last move:
Now I'm picked up in a neat net. As he's down to 2 liberties though, he's in a bit of trouble here. I may simply go and play locally down there next move |
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| Author: | DJLLAP [ Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
Well this was unexpected and unfortunate. I don't think I can ignore it. |
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| Author: | topazg [ Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
I really want to return to the lower side, but I'm happy with the last exchange, and as he didn't hane, it doesn't feel anywhere near as urgent for me to play another move immediately. So, I may as well embark on this move now, and either reduce the top to build points next, or if he stops me from doing that, the lower side still beckons. |
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| Author: | DJLLAP [ Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #252 djllap vs topazg |
Well I didn't get either point that enlarged the center, so I might as well capture these to make sure that I have no weak groups and get a few points in the meantime. I am starting to feel bad about this game. |
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