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 Post subject: Re: #253 : dangerdoom vs. TegaiS
Post #41 Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:59 am 
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First i wanted to play :w32:.
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With the calm play White has about 54+10 = 64 points.
Black has about 34+37 = 71 points.
So with the komi it will be about equal. Though I don't trust in my counting very much and have a feeling that White has a small advantage here.
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After Black :b33: I planned to invade at S15 or S16. But then I thought that the position with my stones facing left looked much better.
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So I considered this but didn't like it.
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And finally I stopped at O7. Now if Black plays calmly R15 I can just P7 and it will be almost the same. But if Black tries to expand his right side then O7 will become better than P6.
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I am not afraid of atari P6.
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May be it is better not to answer locally and invade at S15 or S16 immediately. Difficult question.

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 Post subject: Re: #253 : dangerdoom vs. TegaiS
Post #42 Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:29 am 
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Interesting. :w32: wouldnt have crossed my mind. I thought it was either answer on p6 or tenuki.I'm interested to see how this turns out!

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 Post subject: Re: #253 : dangerdoom vs. TegaiS
Post #43 Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:58 am 
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It has been three months already so I looked into the comments. Thanks to dangerdoom and the observers.

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