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 Post subject: Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks)
Post #41 Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:15 pm 
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . W . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Isn't his last move a bit heavy?

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Post #42 Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:23 pm 
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[go]$$cm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, if he won't play here, I will!

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Post #43 Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:45 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Hane two stones? I don't know this proverb's English name.

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Post #44 Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:08 pm 
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[go]$$cm21
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Why not?

I'm trying not to get too stressed by this game, so let's just have fun.

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Post #45 Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:27 pm 
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[go]$$cm21
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I had to defend my weakness somehow. Now the game depends a lot on black's next move.

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Post #46 Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:11 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
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[go]$$Wm1
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 4 X . 2 X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 3 . 1 . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B O B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . Y . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Which means that my three marked stones have potential to be attacked.
Worrying about the three :bc: stones under attack seems not the right idea --
the three :bc: stones were light from early on ( at :b17: = :bt: ).
( aka junk food, or dead bugs on the windshield. )
skydyr wrote:
this could quickly leave black with a heavy group that's not doing much.
Seems exactly what happened starting with :w27: .

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Post #47 Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:42 pm 
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@Observers:
My take on the past dozen moves:
1) Black over-committed with the shoulder hit. He should have tenukied or played a cap.
2) White wasted the chance to exploit black's mistake, and left black way too much room with F10.
3) Black used the resulting opportunity very well, starting with a weak group and pushing around a much stronger group.
4) The white group in the upper left is now overconcentrated.
5) The black group on the left side has become too big to lose, but it is thin and black must strengthen it.
6) I would play F11 if I were black.

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Post #48 Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:59 am 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
@Observers:
My take on the past dozen moves:
1) Black over-committed with the shoulder hit. He should have tenukied or played a cap.
2) White wasted the chance to exploit black's mistake, and left black way too much room with F10.
3) Black used the resulting opportunity very well, starting with a weak group and pushing around a much stronger group.
4) The white group in the upper left is now overconcentrated.
5) The black group on the left side has become too big to lose, but it is thin and black must strengthen it.
6) I would play F11 if I were black.


I don't see the white group as overconcentrated, myself. It was a framework of sorts that has now turned entirely to profit, and is still putting pressure on black's group.

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Post #49 Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:59 am 
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[go]$$cm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My group is pretty much invincible now, so I think this result is fine for me. Also, his marked stones are kind of useless now:

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[go]$$cm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X W X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W W . W W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . W X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm happy with this result.

But hey, I haven't really studied Go for awhile now, and it's not like I'd know if it's good or bad for me. Can't say I really care that much.

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Post #50 Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:27 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . B X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . W . W . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

A leaning attack. I'll try to scare the whole group as much as I can. I don't necessarily have to kill all, but still need to get something. Territorially, I can't count exactly, but black does have a bit more than me. I'm more stronger in the center and black has a weak group, so here is where I can make a compensation.

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Post #51 Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:36 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . B X . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Like I said. It's his privilege.

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Post #52 Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:40 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I first want to keep my stones in good shape.

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Post #53 Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:51 am 
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I've heard that a number of pros - even though they're pros - say that they are not good at attacking. The trend seems to be that territory is where it's at. When you attack, you need to get profit from attacking. Ultimately, you need to get some points - maybe by killing a group; maybe by creating a formation during the attack. Maybe somehow else. But undeniably, you need to make sufficient profit.

Looking at the white stones on the board, white's only points are on the left. He has some influence in the center, but I have strong positions in the other parts of the board.

Given this, I see only one way for white to make significant profit by attacking my group: by killing it.

For example, let's say that he gets a bunch of moves by attacking me, and I live. He'll get a wall, hypothetically, something like this:
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | C C O X . X O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | C O X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | C O X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What did white get? He got a wall, and a few points on the left.

If I make a solid position on the right side, I'll get more than that.

So, this leaves me here:
* If he can kill me, I should defend, of course.
* If he can't kill me, I think it's worth it to tenuki and play on the right.

So the question is, can he kill me?

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Post #54 Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:54 am 
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Also, a third option comes to mind, which is to keep white split:

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X W X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W W . W W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . W X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Doing so keeps the possibility of having the marked white stones become a weak group later.

But maybe that will give him more profit.

I'll ponder it for a bit.

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Post #55 Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:36 pm 
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@skydyr and observers:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
...
4) The white group in the upper left is now overconcentrated...


skydyr wrote:
I don't see the white group as overconcentrated...


Those stones currently have this much space:

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$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .[/go]


...but they could easily control this much space:

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[go]$$c
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .[/go]


I think that Kirby got ahead in this game by pushing white at D11 and E12.

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Post #56 Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:45 am 
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For observers:

Not sure, but feels like white's hane below could have just been the more calm extend at "a" which doesn't leave the cut?

[quote="MinjaeKim"]
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[go]$$cm21
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #57 Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:40 pm 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . B O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, I can't say I read everything out. I'd like to get sente and move on to somewhere else, though.

Exchanges in this area are likely bad exchanges for me, since I don't get much other than living.

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Post #58 Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:34 pm 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . B O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This seems way too conservative. It attaches to a weak stone, and makes merely two points.

White has several weak stones that could be attacked:

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . W . W . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . W . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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White has several weak stones...
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . W . W . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . W . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If W simply replies bluntly --
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . Q . Q . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 1 . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X 5 4 O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . Q . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
-- B connects or lives in neutral space,
while W gains useful stones on the outside.

The :wt: stones are not weak; they are light -- there's a difference.

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Post #60 Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:39 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I considered playing elsewhere, but then black's hane feels too painful locally. And is black 100% alive?

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