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Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks) |
@MinjaeKim: MinjaeKim wrote: ... I think I got enough from the right side. Now it's time for battle! Did you consider any other moves to begin the attack? How did you choose this one? @observers: My initial reaction is that this is aji keshi. Previously, white had B9 in sente to remove easy eye space, and black had to answer submissively because of the weakness at C8.
But now a simple solid answer to white's most recent move will protect that weakness, and B9 by white will now be gote.
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Author: | illluck [ Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks) |
@Joaz I don't disagree that last move may be aji-keshi (lean towards agreeing with you, unless MinjaeKim seem a clear route to attack that we are missing). However, not entirely sure whether losing the hane is a big deal (after the hane white still needs another move to remove the side eye). If black responds at D9 to white's last move, white still has "a" or "b" in reserve:
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Author: | MinjaeKim [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks) |
Joaz Banbeck wrote: @MinjaeKim: MinjaeKim wrote: ... I think I got enough from the right side. Now it's time for battle! Did you consider any other moves to begin the attack? How did you choose this one? Other moves? Yeah, but none was satisfactory as my actual move. Does black have a good response here? I don't think so since black doesn't have the chance to strengthen the C7 weakness. I think I almost got the lead in this game. |
Author: | Kirby [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks) |
Blitz move it is! I don't have the discipline to read out what's best right now. Besides, I tend to do better at blitz than at slow games - don't know why. |
Author: | MinjaeKim [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks) |
I don't understand why he did this exchange. Does it help black? Certainly not. Black is now literally in bad shape. |
Author: | Kirby [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks) |
Maybe he'll kill me. If he does, I guess I deserve to lose. |
Author: | MinjaeKim [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:58 pm ] |
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Author: | Kirby [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks) |
I don't know if I'll get a good result, but there's a lot of aji here. White is a little thin. |
Author: | MinjaeKim [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks) |
Hane at B7 was my first instinct, but since I have to come back here eventually, why not just play directly. Black won't play at B7 anyway. |
Author: | Kirby [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks) |
Didn't expect him to do that. Guess that's why he's stronger than me. Anyway, I'll cross attach, now. Gotta take drastic measures before resigning. |
Author: | MinjaeKim [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:44 pm ] |
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Author: | Kirby [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:47 pm ] |
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Author: | MinjaeKim [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:47 pm ] |
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Author: | Kirby [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks) |
It's painful to lose a stone, but I think it's good for me to move into the center. As long as I live, and don't let him get center presence, maybe it's OK for me? |
Author: | MinjaeKim [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks) |
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Author: | Kirby [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks) |
Kind of painful, kind of good??
Joseki? |
Author: | MinjaeKim [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks) |
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Author: | Kirby [ Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks) |
I guess with his ponnuki, he gets better deal. It would be nice if I could jump out, but he can cut me:
Not that great. Moving out one space slower is an option, but - it's slow:
Atari to get a thicker group is possible, though he can seal off that area more around his other ponnuki:
Furthermore, it'd be nice to extend after that, but then I have to be concerned about the ladder later in the game:
I could protect with tiger's mouth, but then atari and extend is good for him:
So simple solid connection works, but again, he can move out ahead:
Or even hane - if I push back, it's the same shape:
Conclusion - he probably got a better deal. I'm not in any real risk of dying now, and I broke through his wall. But his ponnuki is nice. |
Author: | Kirby [ Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks) |
I guess he doesn't take ponnuki immediately. I'll think a bit. |
Author: | Kirby [ Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:13 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: MinjaeKim 5.5d vs. Kirby 3d (Tygem ranks) |
Pushing from behind. I don't know if it's the right thing to do. There's also aji with connecting my stone:
I dunno what's best, though. Get walled in here? Break out by pushing from behind? I really don't know. "Pushing from behind" is a proverb, and it's something you're not supposed to do... But I also don't want to get surrounded that much... So I don't know what's best here. I'll push from behind a little, and then think about connecting my stone? |
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