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 Post subject: Re: 256, MinjaeKim v Elom
Post #41 Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:13 am 
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[go]$$cm41Komi_W+6.5 Prisoners; 黒: /白: .
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O O . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

What black has played is usually a bad exchange. Without the exchange, my connection with 6 is forced, but with the exchange I can play more strongly.

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[go]$$cm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . 5 3 4 . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O 6 . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O O . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$cm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . 5 3 4 . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 6 O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O O . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #42 Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:54 pm 
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[go]$$cm41Komi_W+6.5 Prisoners; 黒: /白: .
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O O . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Move 43: B15

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[go]cfig_1.025
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . C . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . C . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . C O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O O . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Seems like the shape-generating move.

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Post #43 Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:05 pm 
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[go]$$cm41Komi_W+6.5 Prisoners; 黒: /白: .
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O O . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Small gote life; objective complete. Where do I play next?

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Post #44 Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:14 am 
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[go]$$cmfig_1.026 Prisoners; 黒: /白: .
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O O . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Move 45: H11, Jump
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[go]$$cm41Komi_W+6.5 Prisoners; 黒: /白: .
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . Y . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X Q . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O O . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The position feels pleasant towards white. If black lives in Gote, white gets a lot of forcing moves against the group.
It feels very painful giving white sente in exchange live on the hands and knees! (about 20 points, I think)

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Post #45 Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:34 am 
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[go]$$cm41 Prisoners; 黒: /白: .
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O O . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Seriously? Now black has done way too many horribly bad exchanges. Seems hard for me to lose now.

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Post #46 Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:55 am 
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I have to agree that this last exchange was very bad for Black, losing over 10 points, I think.

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Post #47 Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:06 am 
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[go]$$cm41 Prisoners; 黒: /白: .
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 7 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O O . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Move 47: L9

This is meant to be almost merely a clarification move per white's intentions; mutual destruction is probably the most sensible course to go for as black, so viewing this move from white's perspective, a brute-force method may not be superior to other options. But the game seems within white's control enough to do so anyway.

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Post #48 Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:57 pm 
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[go]$$cm41 Prisoners; 黒: /白: .
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 8 . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O O . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Seems to be sente.

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Post #49 Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:42 am 
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[go]$$cm41 Prisoners; 黒: /白: .
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 9 X . O X O O . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, it seems this move is completely sente. Probably to create a more solid position.

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Post #50 Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:30 am 
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[go]$$cm41 Prisoners; 黒: /白: .
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X O O . . X . . . . . 0 . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Seems the biggest move. Best if I can take sente here.

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Post #51 Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:38 am 
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Did you choose the 3-3 invasion (over other invasion points in this corner) because it has the least complications and B is strong around the corner?

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Did you choose the 3-3 invasion (over other invasion points in this corner) because it has the least complications and B is strong around the corner?

I'm 100% alive with the 3-3 invasion, so it doesn't look bad at least. The only other possible invasion point I can see there is 3-4, but If I were black, I'd try to kill all, also given that black is behind.

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Post #53 Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:24 pm 
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$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X O O . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I want to take sente, since white's potential on the left seems better than black's on the right. Ah, positional games!

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Post #54 Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:41 pm 
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$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X O O . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Just playing the safest move.

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Post #55 Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:35 am 
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@Elom:

Can you explain why you played your last move? (other than want to take sente as that presumably means you will play this move, expect white to answer, and then ignore white's answer to play elsewhere, such logic could equally apply to many other local moves, or indeed tenuki). Did you consider any other moves? That move looks very strange to me, not one I would ever consider!


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At a minimum, iron pillar at r5 is better. But to have a chance to win Elom can't let white live so easily. Going crazy and trying to kill like this might be his only chance:
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[go]$$cm51 Prisoners; 黒: /白: .
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$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . 7 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X 2 5 . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . , . . . . 8 4 6 . . |
$$ | . X X . O X O O . . X . . 9 1 . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #56 Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:24 am 
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$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . 3 . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X O O . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have no idea as to where to go from here. I want to move somewhere on the central left, however, it probably wouldn't be enough. I considered a move like D4, however I'm not sure if it's really sente, so black loses nearly 40 points here :).


Uberdude,
Hmm, good point :)

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$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . d . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X a . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . , . . . . b , . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X O O . . X . . c e . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I should probably have just chosen a, however I became too pre-occupied with worrying about the safety of the right side and the position when black leaves to take sente. The right side was probably okay with a. I expected white to respond with e or c, and maybe b, but not the move in the game.

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Post #57 Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:36 am 
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$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . 4 . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X O O . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Just playing safe.

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Post #58 Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:38 pm 
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$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . O . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X O O . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


C10

My counting is very bad, but even I can be sure black is about 30 points behind or so (approximately a similar value to the lower right black sacrificed). I'd to play thick, solidifying moves in the center or lower right, however it just wouldn't be enough.
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[go]$$cfig_1.29 Prisoners; 黒: /白: .
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$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . O . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . , . . . . a , . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X O O . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . O b c . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Playing around a seems attractive, however I don't quite think it's sente as a follow-up at c doesn't work, and b only partially damages white.

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Post #59 Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:06 am 
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$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . O . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X O O . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Just cap and think :)

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Post #60 Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:39 am 
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[go]$$cm51Komi_6.5 Prisoners; 黒: /白: .
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$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . O . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X O O . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I definitely should probably have maybe read a little more thoroughly for a move-- There doesn't seem to be a lot of weaknesses in white to aim at.

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[go]$$cFig_1.30_Fantasy_Sequence Hmm... 黒: /白: .
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$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . O . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 3 4 . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 2 . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X O O . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cFig_1.31 黒: /白: .
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . O . O . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . d . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . c . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . Z b . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a O . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X O O . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White can respond at a, or maybe exchange b for c first, but I haven't read it out properly. Maybe an attachment at d for black would be useful at some point.

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