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Post #61 Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:53 pm 
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I'm currently on a weekend go tournament and will be able to play my next move on sunday...

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Post #62 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:06 pm 
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Sorry for the delay, the days before the easter holidays were a bit busy...

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


The quiet move would be to further strengthen the top group, e.g. at L17. However let's have some more fun... ;-)

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Post #63 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:22 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X 8 . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


When in doubt, cut.

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Post #64 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:04 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X 8 9 . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #65 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:23 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X 8 9 . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #66 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:35 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #67 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:04 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X 2 . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #68 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:52 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


When playing D14 I expected a white move in the area of H17, J17 K18 etc. but not directly G17. Thus didn't see this sequence coming (i.e. business as usual... ;-)). It is certainly not recommended to allow white the squeeze:

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[go]$$Bcm63 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 6 O X O 3 X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Therefore I will have to come out in a kind of broken ladder. It looks not too bad for black but still quite complicated. I'm not quite sure what white aims for.

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Post #69 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:01 am 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #70 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:54 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #71 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:50 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 6 O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 6 O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #73 Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:46 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 6 O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Looks pretty good to me.
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 5 . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 4 . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 2 . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



edit: oops, I forgot to include my move outside of the spoiler tag!

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Post #74 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:52 pm 
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$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . 8 9 . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
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Going out (where?) with E13 would be fighting mode. However it is getting complicated and my left side group may become too thin in the following. Therefore I decided to give white his large corner, strengten my left side group and get sente.

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$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 9 . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
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Post #76 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:31 pm 
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$$ | . . . O 1 . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
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$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


If you disagree with :w72: please post something else...

It's most probably sente. The question is whether it is "good sente" or "bad sente". I think it is not completely bad - white settles his corner (~25 points; I could reduce it to ~20 by playing D18 but it seems gote) while I strengthen my left side group. In the following I am not completely sure, yet. Trying to cut at O14 seems bad since white has P16. I could play P14 in sente instead in order to make my upper right side more likely to become real territory, but it feels sort of boring. Another possibility is to play atari at tengen (where white omitted the cross-cut) and see if I can create some trouble with cutting points (Mental note: I should not be lazy and read this further before playing ;-) ).

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$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 2 . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 . O X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]



The atari leaves a nasty squeeze, and this seems to capture the stones just as tidily. So with three large corners and what looks like a living group in the center, this game is looking pretty good.

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$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 X X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . O X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 X X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . O X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 X X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . 7 . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Seems almost sente(?), reduces potential white center points and seems to fit with my left group, so why not?

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