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 Post subject: #262: psygo vs topazg
Post #1 Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:22 am 
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psygo vs topazg
Rules: Even game, 6.5 komi, Japanese rules, Open book.


Odd or even? (basically, guess and then open the hide tag, a poor man's nigiri!)

-- :white: :white: :white:


If you want to change some aspect of the rules, just let me know.

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Post #2 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:09 am 
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Sorry that I didn't reply, I was in a tournament in Karlsruhe. The rules are fine to me. I guessed odd, so I begin? (3 white stones, I don't know what are the two underscores) Tell me if that's fine with you. Just to make it quicker, if I were to start I would play this:

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Anyways, good game.

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Post #3 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:31 am 
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Sounds good to me :)

The two lines were to make the first white stone display correctly, as it was being difficult!

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Have a great game :)

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Post #4 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:34 am 
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I already have a plan for my fuseki so I guess I can play it kinda fast.

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Post #5 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:51 am 
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No problem, I don't have all that much of a plan, so I'll try to match your pace :)

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Post #6 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:01 pm 
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Post #7 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:25 pm 
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Post #8 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:29 am 
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Usually, people approach my remaining 3-4 point to be more active. Just splitting the side seems playable if I had a 4-4 point but a little bit passive when I have a 3-4 point, it seems like an invitation for an enclosure...

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Post #9 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:29 am 
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Also wondered about a contact play directly on :b3: but it seems a bit of a stretch. It would be more exciting to me if 6 was lower by one, but meh, happy enough. I never feel that the long knight shimari is all that robust, so even if he makes an extension there is plenty of room for doing something up there later

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Post #10 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:00 am 
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Double wing looks great for me.

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Post #11 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:17 am 
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Double wing looks great for me.


A double wing requires two extensions from the corner. The large knight's enclosure does not count as an extension. :)

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Post #12 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:25 am 
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Puzzles and more puzzles. I dislike being low here, but if I take the shimari, he can approach, and I feel like I've gotten a weak result. If I take the left side, he can still approach the top left in sente (somewhere like G16) or approach the top left directly. So I'm trying to take advantage of the fact K16 is high here, but I'm not convincing myself very well as this is low and risks being rather small. It's an unusual opening for me to face, so I'm sort of winging it really.

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Post #13 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:10 am 
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Am I allowed to look at the commentaries of Bill Spight?

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I was kinda expecting this annoying undercut of my extension, but I wanted to try the kosumi. I expect him to close the corner.

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Post #14 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:23 am 
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I'm slightly surprised I got a response for that - the slide is still open, and I thought with the shimari that if he fixed anything, it would be the slide. I'm still surprised he played locally at all - I was more worried about bD15 or splitting the left in the middle somewhere

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Locally, A seems more normal, but I'm not sure I'd advise it with white's right side group. In any case, the game move looks strange to me. Perhaps something on the left side would have been better.

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Mmm, interesting, I had thought he'd prioritise the left, the following look rather nicely balanced for White?

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