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 Post subject: Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat
Post #21 Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:33 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm19
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Another possible variation I didn't consider earlier
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 3 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O 0 O . 8 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 4 X 6 . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 O X X 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm okay with this
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[go]$$Bcm10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O . O . . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have enough liberties if white cuts here
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 3 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O 0 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 4 X 7 . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 O X X 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white really tries to shorten my liberties...
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O 3 0 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O 4 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 6 5 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Looks like I can escape?
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[go]$$Wcm11
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 4 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #22 Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:53 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm20
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK, he decided to get this in earlier rather than later. I still think I have to answer, and there are no ko threats in the opening, so the solid connection it is.

Two empty triangles and counting!

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Post #23 Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:12 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm21
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #24 Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:05 am 
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[go]$$Wcm22
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 1 X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Interesting. I was expecting this:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ -------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 5 X 4 2 . . .
$$ | . . X O O 1 O . .
$$ | . . X O . 3 X . .
$$ | . X O X X . . . .
$$ | . . O O . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]


This way gives Black a stronger corner (though I didn't think he needed it) at the expense of the strength of his outside stones. That's okay with me.

I think I have an advantage in the ensuing struggle. Here's one variation:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ -------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X a . . .
$$ | . . X O O b O . .
$$ | . . X O . O X 3 .
$$ | . X O X X 1 2 6 .
$$ | . . O O 7 4 5 . .
$$ | . . O . 9 8 . . .
$$ | . . . . 0 . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X a . . . .
$$ | . . X O O b O . . .
$$ | . . X O . O X X 0 ,
$$ | . X O X X X O O . .
$$ | . . O O X O X . . .
$$ | . . O 5 X O 2 . . .
$$ | . 9 7 3 O 1 . . . .
$$ | . . 8 6 4 . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

and he gets a big corner while I get a big wall.

I always have to be careful about the a-b exchange, as my stones above can run out of liberties very quickly.

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Post #25 Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:12 am 
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[go]$$Bcm23
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #26 Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:56 am 
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[go]$$Wcm24
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In for a penny, in for a pound. I couldn't find a good way to back off from this. I am a little afraid that my resulting "thickness" won't be as thick as it needs to be, but I hope to learn something finding out.

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Post #27 Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:41 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm25
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X 1 . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is expected...It's gonna be a really messy fight.

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Post #28 Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:34 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm26
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Back at move 22 I gave this variation:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ -------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X . . . .
$$ | . . X O O . O . .
$$ | . . X O . O X 3 .
$$ | . X O X X 1 2 6 .
$$ | . . O O 7 4 5 . .
$$ | . . O . 9 8 . . .
$$ | . . . . 0 . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm11
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X . . . . .
$$ | . . X O O . O . . .
$$ | . . X O . O X X 0 ,
$$ | . X O X X X O O a .
$$ | . . O O X O X b . .
$$ | . . O 5 X O 2 . . .
$$ | . 9 7 3 O 1 . . . .
$$ | . . 8 6 4 . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]


but on rechecking my variations I discovered to my dismay that Black can make the a-b exchange before playing :b9:, and then the ladder starting with :w10: doesn't work. So it's back to the drawing board.

With my move I threaten to ladder Black's two stones. If he saves them, I have time to hane and pick up the three-stone string. There's one move that tries to save both, but I think I can handle it, barely:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X . . . . .
$$ | . . X O O . O 3 . .
$$ | . . X O . O X X 4 ,
$$ | . X O X X X O 1 2 .
$$ | . . O O 8 7 0 . . .
$$ | . . O . 9 6 5 . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm11
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X . . . . .
$$ | . . X O O . O O . .
$$ | . . X O . O X X X ,
$$ | . X O X X X O O X .
$$ | . . O O X 3 X 1 . .
$$ | . . O . O X O 2 . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

and no ko threat is big enough to stop me from capturing next move.

If I missed some trick of Black's, I'm probably in big trouble...

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[go]$$Bcm27
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White will be very thick if I try to save the two stones
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O 5 O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 6 O X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O 4 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This looks much better for me. White is split into two groups and both of them are not 100% alive.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O 3 O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X 2 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white really wants to keep the center, he is gonna have to give up more territory to me. This trade looks good for me.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O 3 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 5 O X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O 4 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm28
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Like I said, if I missed some trick of Black's, I'm probably in big trouble. :sad:

The problem is that after this:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X 1 . . . .
$$ | . . X O O 2 O 3 . .
$$ | . . X O . O X X . ,
$$ | . X O X X X O O . .
$$ | . . O O . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

Black wins the capturing race.

I had thought that my threat against the two stones was sente, but Black doesn't care if he can capture my three and connect to his isolated stones, splitting me:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X 1 . . . .
$$ | . . X O O 3 O 4 . .
$$ | . . X O a O X X 2 ,
$$ | . X O X X X O O . .
$$ | . . O O . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

Importantly, he doesn't even have to capture with a, so he can move out with :b5:, completing the split.

So I don't think I have anything better than to concede the big corner entirely and get some small amount of compensation by making a wall:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X 1 . . . .
$$ | . . X O O 3 O . . .
$$ | . . X O 5 O X X . ,
$$ | . X O X X X O O . .
$$ | . . O O 4 2 . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]


This is obviously a big loss, but at least I have a wall (though it is open at the bottom) and sente. I'm clearly well behind, though.

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[go]$$Bcm29
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Wow he is giving up a lot of points...he does get sente which is kinda big, but I still think locally the result is good for me

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[go]$$Wcm30
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It now occurs to me that this may not even be sente (there's no life or death at stake, just points). But it does threaten a capture worth 14 points that is basically sente itself (else I squeeze with J16 and J17).

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 1 . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am gonna take because it makes my group super strong. If he dares to hane at J16, I will cut.

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[go]$$Wcm32 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 1 . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have to try to make all of my stones work together. I'm clearly behind, so I'm making an ambitious move. I would like to hane at the top, but I think Black would just ignore it; even if I then curl around and atari, and then capture two stones to get connected, I've spent three gote moves. I don't think I can afford to do that.

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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I push the white stone now, I may not get the result I want since white urgently needs to build the center.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Even though white is forming a double wing, taking the 3-3 doesn't look good.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 2 O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 1 3 4 6 8 . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I could consider approaching from this side and then attacking the one white stone, but my base is too narrow, I don't like it.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 3 . 5 . W . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 1 . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I approach from this side and get kicked, I can have a more efficient base. White's bottom isn't gonna make a lot of points because I can undercut the 4th line stones. I can even attack the marked group later.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X W X X X W W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W W W W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 4 . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



If white pincers, which I think he should, I gonna fight like this.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #36 Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:02 pm 
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I guess this game isn't very interesting, given that no spectators have made any comments yet. :(

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[go]$$Wcm34 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Use thickness to attack! I still probably shouldn't be too happy about recent developments, but at least this continuation fits my narrative, and all of my stones have a meaning.

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Post #37 Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:06 pm 
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Maybe it is because our ranks are too low? :sad:

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[go]$$Bcm35 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Going to the corner looks bad, especially when the marked stone is on the 4th line...White can just keep pushing and completely seal me in.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 2 O 4 0 . . . W . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . 7 1 3 . 9 . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am planning for something like this...
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 O 9 5 . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 7 0 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White is very thick on the top, so I need to get out to the center.
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[go]$$Bcm11
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This double hane is very big...
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X 5 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O 1 4 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Edit: I added more comments to my moves


Last edited by ThetaHat on Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:16 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Post #38 Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:34 pm 
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I wonder if a higher pincer would have worked better here, and left Black fewer options to prioritize the outside.

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[go]$$Wcm34 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . 6 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . O . 3 . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But this variation looks like it might lead to White being a bit over-concentrated?

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[go]$$Wcm34 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . 6 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 2 . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . O . 3 . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #39 Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:58 pm 
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Use thickness to attack! I still probably shouldn't be too happy about recent developments, but at least this continuation fits my narrative, and all of my stones have a meaning.


How come this is using thickness to attack? I don't understand. To me, this would be more like using thickness to attack:

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[go]$$Wcm34 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 3 . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If black makes a too long extension with 37, white would comfortably invade in between, so white would get more.

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Post #40 Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:55 am 
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dfan wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm12
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't like this white move. The problem with it is that it invites the black response at c16, leaving white in a position where his head is bumped. This also creates the possibility for the uncomfortable "bear hug" that takes place later when b plays d18.

Edit: unhiding this as it has no effect on the game.

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