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 Post subject: Re: Jika vs Kirby
Post #101 Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:53 pm 
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I like it - feels like we’re playing poker ;-)

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Post #102 Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:53 am 
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess I’ll try to live here - would be pretty big if captured.

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Post #103 Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:15 am 
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I like it - feels like we’re playing poker ;-)


I'm lucky you can't see my face then...
:scratch: :shock: :oops:

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Post #104 Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:34 am 
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Coming back to my alternative move I mentioned in post #99.
Assuming I could tell any of Kirby's possible replies in advance, my playing in an editor seemed to show a bit of pressure on white there.
So, playing against myself in my editor I'd rather be black than white.

I'm expecting Kirby's move to be very different from what I came up with.

Oh, btw, yesterday I also considered
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . . O 8 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

but disliked it. It looks like I'd end up with two separate small groups and a ko. I seem to have a case of ko angst.

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Post #105 Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:03 pm 
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:b28: You rejected this move earlier. Nothing has changed to make it a better move now. ;)

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Post #106 Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:07 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Pressure seems to be released from my group a bit - the top right corner territory potential for black is annoying, but let's think about that later.

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Post #107 Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:44 pm 
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My sealed move.

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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B . 0 . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can't find it in my heart to sacrifice the :bc: stone. ;)

Besides, :b30: breaks a sector line or three. :)

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Hi Bill,
Let's see if Jika goes for fighting spirit or more peaceful: :)
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 1 . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #109 Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:43 am 
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Kirby,
I'm sorry for taking so long!!!

I won't forget to play, and I hope I will not delay it too much.

Just very busy right now, I need to find a pace with my new study obligations and settle down with everything.

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Post #110 Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:59 pm 
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[go]$$Wm21
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . 0 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hm, strange. Seems I had a wrong (older) position in my editor and after trying I - landed at my move 28 and wanted to play it, only to notice I already had!
So, even if it was a bad move, something within me really wants to play it.

Now, having started there, I go on ignoring Kirby.

I considered

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[go]$$Bcm30
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . 1 . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

but thought it would be blocked and separated
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[go]$$Bcm30
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . 1 . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #111 Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:44 pm 
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$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . 1 . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If this play does no good, . . .

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[go]$$Bcm30
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . 1 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What good does this play do? :)

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Post #112 Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:52 pm 
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[go]$$Wm31
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 1 . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess I feel confident that I can live in the middle. The move I played takes profit on the left, and also gives some influence to indirectly help my middle group.

By my middle group is black's advantaged area, and black has invested a lot there. So I think I won't get much payoff by playing a lot in that area.

As he attacks me further, I'll aim for two objectives:
1. Live
2. Try to avoid giving him too much profit from the attack (secondary - can't expect to totally avoid giving him profit)
3. giving up the stones could potentially be an option, if i can get enough profit elsewhere... we'll see how it goes

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Post #113 Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:47 am 
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[go]$$Wm31
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . X O . X . . . |
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$$ | . 2 . O . O . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As I've already PMed to Bill, our thinking styles seem to differ a lot:
I see "small" groups, but not what bigger moves do or might do.
OK, I see now what Kirby is doing.
I've tried imagining I was a child and this was a picture I want to colour in.
Kirby's stones would be easy to colour in, mine would not.

My intention with this move is to say "I'm not dead yet."

I considered
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$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

because it might create an area to colour in in the right.
However, since Kirby's upper right group has broken through to the centre, it would not help my L13 stone anyway.
I also considerd
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$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . X O 2 X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . 1 . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

but I think on the whole it would not trouble Kirby much (because he has seen it but does not play there).
I think Kirby might go on devouring the board, maybe like so
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$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . X O 2 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . 1 . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . 3 . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

and not mind very much if I get what... 6 points? while he gets the rest of the board, because I refuse to play there. Okay, I still do.
I could play there (32), there (34), there (36)... whatever... :scratch:
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$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 6 . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . 2 . O . O . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I’d like to kill everything, but I don’t think it’s possible.

Another option is this:
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$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . 2 . O . O . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 1 . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Which is more clear, but less ambitious..

I’m losing, so let’s be ambitious.

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$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . 2 . O . O . . . 4 . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I had to choose between two ideas and liked this a tiny bit better (to be honest, I played the other option first, then thought "Oh, generally the rejected move is the better one...", and changed my mind, now being prepared to hear that whatever I reject is a tiny bit less nonsense than my actual move...

"The stone that the builders refused..."

I considered this
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$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . 2 . O . O . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . 4 3 . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . 1 . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think that would be the best to follow my intention, listening to my stones' cries "no, don't let him separate all of us!!".

Everything else (without a strategy that is more than 1 move, like I do) feels random.

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$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I was split on this move. Initially, I thought, "well, he ignored, so I'll kill everything on the left:
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$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I felt confident I could live with my group.

Thinking a bit more, though, there's some value to strengthening my group a little bit: the weaker my group is, the more he can attack me, and the more points he'll get for free on the right.

So in a way, defending this group is an intention to avoid giving her too many points on the right.

And besides, the left is still somewhat weak - maybe I can still kill that stuff later.

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$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . X O 6 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I've considered
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$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

or something around that, to try to prevent those stones from being separated too.
But I thought that Kirby maybe won't sacrifice the stones on the upper right, so I can still see how to react to his move after that.

I've noticed Kirby's move is similar (I think) to what I rejected as my move 32.
So maybe I was right then to assume that this is interesting territory.

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$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . X . . X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 7 O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Be enclosed and have to make life inside... Or break through to safety, and be free of burden..?

No question.

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The obvious would have been to capture. I know Kirby knows, so...
Capturing would make me feel good (Look, I captured Kirby's stones!!), but again, I'd let him follow his own agenda (which includes my opportunity to capture).

I don't feel good about switching like ping-pong between what I might do locally and what I need to do about Kirby's actions on the rest of the board, but then, that's what go is about, isn't it?

I'm sure Kirby has anticipated this move too.
So let's see what happens.

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Post #120 Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:51 pm 
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I'm still way behind, but I should try something..

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