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Offline emerus
 Post subject: Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)
Post #81 Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 11:03 am 
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KGS: emerus
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . 8 O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I play this so that after I extend, I will have little fear of attack on my stones.
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Mnemonic
 Post subject: Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)
Post #82 Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 1:55 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . 9 X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Still don't like the jump so I'll extend again. If he pushes again I'll hane since he can't crosscut.

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"Cutting? Killing? Poking out eyes? What the hell are you playing?"
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Offline emerus
 Post subject: Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)
Post #83 Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 1:45 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Mnemonic
 Post subject: Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)
Post #84 Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 2:19 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't know if this invasion is any good, but it won't die and white is knee deep in blacks territory.

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Offline EdLee
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Post #85 Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 3:33 pm 
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Mnemonic wrote:
I don't know if this invasion is any good, but it won't die
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[go]$$W
$$-----------------
$$. . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . X . . |
$$. . X . , . . . |
$$. . . . . O . . |
$$. . . 4 1 . . . |
$$. . 6 3 2 X . . |
$$. . . 7 5 . . . |
$$. . . O O O . . |
$$. . X X X . . . |
$$. . . . . . . . |[/go]
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Offline emerus
 Post subject: Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)
Post #86 Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:03 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


3 stone wall with 4 space extension is safe shape.
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Offline Mnemonic
 Post subject: Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)
Post #87 Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:21 am 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Yeah I'm stupid. I read the attachment at Q13 and thought I found a great play. Now though, my stone is dead and I lose a lot of aji in that area. I originally wanted to play a few forcing moves and then cap the K17 stone, but after my disastrous aji-keshi play he can ignore easily so I'm forced to cap now Image

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Offline emerus
 Post subject: Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)
Post #88 Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 12:15 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I didn't really want to attach to black stone to strengthen his shape but, my other option:

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . 4 . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Leaves some aji in that f17 stone.
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Offline Mnemonic
 Post subject: Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)
Post #89 Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:42 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'll guess I'll just play standard here. I'm planning on building a bit of strength and influence here and then invading the white moyo. This is what I'm expecting and what you could consider the 'normal' way. Of course my opponent could get tricky with crosscuts and all that :roll:
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . 6 , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . 9 . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 5 7 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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"Cutting? Killing? Poking out eyes? What the hell are you playing?"
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Offline emerus
 Post subject: Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)
Post #90 Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:58 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . 6 , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Mnemonic
 Post subject: Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)
Post #91 Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 3:01 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . O , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X 7 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #92 Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:00 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . O , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I'm glad that he didn't cut there. We'll see what his next idea is then I think it's time to count.
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Post #93 Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:45 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . O , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . 9 . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I actually got a sequence right :shock: But let's see where this invasion goes before we start partying

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Post #94 Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 5:32 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 0 O . X . . O , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'll let him squirm around in here. He needs 16 stones on the 3rd line to live? Right? Right...?
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Post #95 Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 7:12 am 
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . X . . O , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Expecting this:
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 4 . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . X . . O , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #96 Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 1:02 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . O , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Trigger if 'a':
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O 2 . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . O , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is a middle game joseki to make the beginnings of a live group when white has a strong corner. He still needs running room or aji to create life.

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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . X . . O , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . c , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . a b . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . Q . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:wt: was played to clear up some of the aji that would be necessary for black to have lived. Moves like a-b-c would have been hard to deal with.
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Post #97 Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 1:48 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O W . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . O , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I accept your trigger.
Not sure what the best move is. My move is an armpit hit, but it's my best chance to live. Honestly I don't really know any further than this and don't know if there is a clever way of making this group die. I tried to read out a few sequences and it looks ok, but the branching factor is pretty large so I'll wait a couple of moves and then come back with an analysis.

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Post #98 Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 3:02 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O W . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . O , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 6 5 . . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 4 X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 1 O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . 3 . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think Black is in trouble maybe.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O W . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . O , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | 6 . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 5 2 1 O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . 3 . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ko is probably possible.

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Post #99 Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 3:49 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O W . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . O , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not nearly enough room for black and I think I cleaned up all aji earlier. Well... let's see what he comes up with.
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Post #100 Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:17 am 
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . O , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 7 X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

No variations yet. Just riding the storm.

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