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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #101 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:53 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm58 Move 58 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . W . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #102 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:02 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm60 Move 60 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Wow, he didn't play at M14. I'm kind of surprised at this move. I guess he has some stuff against the corner around P17, but I don't care about that. My corner should be fine, especially since I have S14 when I want it. I think that this is fine! As a bonus, if white does P17 and I can get in P16, the cut at O14 becomes dangerous for him. I like it!

Edit: Also, some of his stones are getting weaker:

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[go]$$Bcm60
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W . W W W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X W . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm tired of just waiting for life with my group. Maybe I can go on the attack soon. That'd be fun :cool:

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 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #103 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:25 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Move 61 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O W . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

wow..i am in deep trouble. i will play a move that is even stronger. see if he backdown.

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Post #104 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 2:54 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm62 Move 62 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He made a good choice of move, I think. I'll explain how I came up with my response.

1.) If I try to block directly, I don't have much hope of sealing him in and killing the stones that I mentioned may become weak in the previous post. Here's a simple example:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


With :w2: above, white can easily escape with his group, and then it becomes me - not him - that is being sealed in and in potential danger.

2.) Because of this, I want to seal him in. Trying to cut doesn't do much even if it did work, because white can crawl on the second line and save his group (He probably wouldn't do this directly. I'm just showing that he can choose to do this whenever he wants):

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The same is true with a move like "a" above.

3.) So, I chose the move I did in the game. The threat of him peeping my corner is reduced, because of the danger his stones could be in. For example:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 3 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O 6 X 2 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5 . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe I can come up with a sequence better than above, but in any case, I don't need to worry about the peep so much. If he does try it, I can think of the best sequence. I know that I at least have the one in the diagram above.

4.) Ideally, I can continue to attack his group. I don't know if that's realistic. But I would like to be broken out, and attacking him in the best case. In the worst case, all of my groups seem safe, and the match continues. I don't think that I'm behind.

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Post #105 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:01 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm63 Move 63 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


this is kind of stuff i saw few times from him.
if i play normally he matches whatever i play like a professional.
if i play an overplay he backdown and plays aji keshi.
white clearly had weak cutting points and he let me connect without anything in return.

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Post #106 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:13 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm64 Move 64 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This feels a bit sloppy, but I want to get a big corner in sente with this move, and then move on to grab a lot of points in enclosing the top left corner. This move is to help with preventing black from attacking the top right corner.

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Post #107 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:15 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm65 Move 65 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . W . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

trying to get sente or aji in the corner.

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Post #108 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:18 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm66 Move 66 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X B X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Resisting the other way is a bit dangerous:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X 2 X 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 3 4 X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #109 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:20 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm67 Move 67 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #110 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:27 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm68 Move 68 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X B . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I'm OK with the corner now. Hopefully I haven't made a mistake.

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[go]$$Wcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O 1 3 4 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X X X 7 5 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can't think of a way for white to use his peeping stone, so I can't play a defensive move. If I calculated wrong, I will learn from it when he exploits the move.

I cannot play a defensive move when I can't see why it's needed here, though.

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Post #111 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:34 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm69 Move 69 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , W O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

is he going to protect the corner???
it look like there is something...but i dont know what yet.
i will look at it if he tenuki.

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Post #112 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:35 pm 
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Resisting the other way is a bit dangerous:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X 2 X 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 3 4 X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O 7 O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't find that so bad for black. Am I over-optimistic ?

The same for Black M14. Is it so bad ? What should hav B play instead ?
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Post #113 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:38 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm70 Move 70 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . B . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's see if Magicwand saw anything in the corner... I couldn't find anything, so I can't make myself protect the corner. If there's something there, I'll learn at a high price this game... But I want to learn... But, I still don't see anything there, so maybe the game will just continue.

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Post #114 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:42 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm71 Move 71 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

wow...he actually tenukied.
i am pretty sure there is something there ..
but i dont think i have to move right now.
i will wait till the time is right..
if i use it as a ko threat it will drive him crazy. :)

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Post #115 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:44 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm72 Move 72 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O B X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I could try to resist the peep, but I don't see any benefit to it. Connecting the peep lets me make sure his wall isn't completely connected, too... So it's not so bad.

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Post #116 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:55 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm73 Move 73 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm74 Move 74 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Since he is sealing me in, eyespace becomes an issue. This move is to get that eyespace.

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Post #118 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 4:01 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm75 Move 75 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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It feels like there is an elegant way to deal with this move. I'm thinking about it now.

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[go]$$Bcm76 Move 76 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . B O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
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I tried to think of something elegant, but this was the best I could come up with... Not that elegant.

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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . 3 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


but I should be able to live, I think.

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