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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #121 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 4:38 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm77 Move 77 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . W . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #122 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 4:58 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm78 Move 78 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . B . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I misread. I might be in trouble. I read this move, too:

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[go]$$Bcm77
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . B W X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


which is a sente connection if white responds as above, but it didn't seem to give a good result.

I'm a little bit nervous, since I misread.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #123 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:03 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm79 Move 79 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . W . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #124 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:06 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm80 Move 80 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X B . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm still a bit in trouble. I shouldn't have misread this.

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Post #125 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:13 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm81 Move 81 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X W . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #126 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:16 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm82 Move 82 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X B . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Still in a bit of trouble. Even with living, white gets more points in the area than I wanted :sad:

It's still a game, though. I think I can still be ahead if I can get out of this mess alright.

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Post #127 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:23 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm83 Move 83 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . W . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #128 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:29 pm 
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after few prep move i will go in upper right 3-3 point. i am not sure but i know it is not easy as what keryby thinks (what is he thinking?).
i am sure there is something.. i dont know what. as usual..i am not going to break my head over something i will not going to use.
i will wait for his answer and act accordingly.

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Post #129 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:41 pm 
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Nice sequence, Magicwand. I didn't read that out well, and I'm in a tougher position now, I think. I'm going to have to think about this a bit, and also have dinner.

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Post #130 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:51 pm 
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enjoy your dinner...
i already had my dinner.
now its time for some exercise.

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Post #131 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:52 pm 
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Tryphon wrote:
Kirby wrote:
Resisting the other way is a bit dangerous:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X 2 X 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 3 4 X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O 7 O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't find that so bad for black. Am I over-optimistic ?

The same for Black M14. Is it so bad ? What should hav B play instead ?


White captures the entire corner that way. Black doesn't seem to get enough compensation for that.

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Post #132 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:19 pm 
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I had a good dinner, Magicwand. I hope you exercised well...

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[go]$$Bcm84 Move 84 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . B X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, it kind of sucks to just make an eye and live in gote. Of course I don't want my group to die, so I can either get an eye somewhere or run to the left. It's risky losing my eyes inside, and having to run in the J6 direction. I'll probably die if it comes to that. So I can't really tenuki. If white takes my other eye, I don't see how I can make another one inside immediately, so I'd probably die.

But instead of just connecting, I want to save at least my two stones here. I should be able to save them. If white tries to take my eye:
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 6 . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O 4 W W W W . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X W . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . B X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X 1 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . b . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . c O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O a . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll get some stones.

I don't know how white will chose to respond, but hopefully I can activate some of the aji around a, b, and c in the future. It may not work out, though, if white responds in a way that disallows it. In that case, white probably has around 45-50 points, and I have about 60 or 65, I think. It's not as comfortable as I'd like, especially considering that white has a bit of a wall, but I feel OK.

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Post #133 Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:32 am 
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[go]$$Bcm70 Move 70 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . B . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Does anyone else think that maybe this move isn't the best? I feel like the high enclosure would make a better framework with the bottom left. Maybe something around d10 also, as I think black feels a little flat.

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Post #134 Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:28 am 
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daniel_the_smith wrote:
Tryphon wrote:
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Resisting the other way is a bit dangerous:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X 2 X 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 3 4 X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O 7 O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't find that so bad for black. Am I over-optimistic ?

The same for Black M14. Is it so bad ? What should hav B play instead ?


White captures the entire corner that way. Black doesn't seem to get enough compensation for that.


Indeed, but it seems coherent with Black M14, Black has then a moyo on the right, most White stones in the center are floating. And there's still aji in the corner.

I feel like black plays the way he did makes one entire group of him totally useless. If he could capture some White stones, I'd understand, but I can't see.
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Post #135 Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:44 am 
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Does anyone else think that maybe this move isn't the best? I feel like the high enclosure would make a better framework with the bottom left. Maybe something around d10 also, as I think black feels a little flat.


Low looks much better to me. High would encourage white to play G17--a point white wants anyway--and then black has an open skirt on the top.


Tryphon wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X 2 X 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 3 4 X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O 7 O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


(snip)

Indeed, but it seems coherent with Black M14, Black has then a moyo on the right, most White stones in the center are floating. And there's still aji in the corner.

I feel like black plays the way he did makes one entire group of him totally useless. If he could capture some White stones, I'd understand, but I can't see.


There won't be aji in the corner because white will capture next. :) But I think white will play slightly differently:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 X . 1 O 7 . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . O . X 2 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 3 4 X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O 6 O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


or:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 7 X . 1 O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , 8 O . X 2 X 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 3 4 X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O 6 O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #136 Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 2:26 am 
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[go]$$Bcm85 Move 85 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . W . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #137 Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:04 am 
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[go]$$Bcm70 Move 70 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . B . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Does anyone else think that maybe this move isn't the best? I feel like the high enclosure would make a better framework with the bottom left. Maybe something around d10 also, as I think black feels a little flat.


Yes, that move misses the point in my opinion. However, I think that the move to consider here has to be something like this:

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[go]$$Bc Move 70 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . b . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black gets to attack the white stones in the centre. 'b' might be a bit sharper, but is also thinner.

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Post #138 Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:25 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm86 Move 86 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hmm. I still can't see what he's going to do.
Hopefully I didn't screw up my reading. There are several variations, so I won't post them at this time...

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Post #139 Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:45 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm87 Move 87 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X W . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i dont know what the answer is but what he played is not right. its too easy to see that it is wrong.
i guess weaker people actually consider such move and try to make sense out of it.

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