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 Post subject: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Post #1 Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:26 pm 
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I want to overcome this. Let's take my time and win this game decidedly.

Can't say I've done it until I have, though. It will be tough.


Have a good game, Magicwand. Merry Christmas, too.

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Happy Holidays to everyone. :)


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Post #3 Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:53 pm 
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i always enjoy game with you kirby.
believe it or not.. two stone game is getting taugher every game.
i can see that kirby is improving and soon we will be playing even :)

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Post #4 Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:55 am 
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Aww!! I love the Magicwand vs. Kirby Christmas special! Will uncle Araban show up at Christmas dinner, and then do something wacky which will lead to all sorts of hilarity???

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Post #5 Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:06 am 
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Likewise, Magicwand.

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Ho ho ho, let's jump into action asap!

On dasher, on dancer, on prancer, and vixen... Full speed ahead!

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Post #6 Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:42 am 
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when i want to win badly i usually play timid.
always playing knight move to secure corner as above. if i am confident that i can win easily i will play unpredictable move to confuse my opponent and try to finish him quick. you can see that i am giving kirby enough respect with two stone.

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Post #7 Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:34 am 
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Let's dive down the chimney, and look for some cookies!

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Post #8 Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:33 am 
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Post #9 Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:45 am 
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♬ I'm~ dreaming of a whi~te Christmas, like all the ones I used to know ♬

'Cept this Christmas is different, because the snow on the bottom of the board is flat! It's flat!

Why would I want to go play in flat snow on the bottom of the board?

White is flat on the bottom, so there is little risk of snow storm - erm - development. Hence, the left is the place to be! :cool:

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Post #10 Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:18 am 
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Post #11 Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:47 am 
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♬ I'm~ dreaming of a whi~te Christmas, like all the ones I used to know ♬

'Cept this Christmas is different, because the snow on the bottom of the board is flat! It's flat!

Why would I want to go play in flat snow on the bottom of the board?

White is flat on the bottom, so there is little risk of snow storm - erm - development. Hence, the left is the place to be! :cool:


Yes the bottom side white position is flat but your one-space jump in the lower left corner is aiming at attacking there. Why attact a place where White con't develope easily? And you also missed playing first in the upper left corner which was the biggest point on the board.

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Post #12 Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:57 pm 
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Woops! I just posted about waiting for the next move only to see that you already played :-p

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Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house, not a creature was stirring...

Let's throw some coal down in that third line chimney!

In general, I prefer approaching the 3-4 on the fourth line. However, I feel that it is more balanced with my side stones to hit up the 3rd line here.

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Post #13 Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:00 am 
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X 2 . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 6 . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe something like this?

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Post #15 Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:17 pm 
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In an old game, Kirby was praised for the two space low pincer against this double approach. Let's see if that is repeated.
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Post #16 Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:18 pm 
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[go]$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . 0 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I thought for a long time about playing here:

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It seems kind of cool because I get two objectives in one move: pincer and extend.

But I feel like this is giving MW the flow. He thinks I will play here, and then he can have a hayday by jumping out:

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[go]$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm not scared of this picture as black - it's a fight for both sides.

But for some reason, I started to think, "screw that! he ignored my play in the bottom right. let's cash in. give me control. you can do what you want on the left. i'm strong enough there to take it!"

In other words, I feel that black is fine even if white plays again on the left - more fine than white is in the bottom right. Plus, I like the shape in the bottom right. It's a favorite of mine.

Let's give MW some coalthis Christmas!

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Post #17 Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:20 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . 1 . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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One thing I find interesting is that MW does not try to help out his group when he is (in my opinion) disadvantaged in the area. Instead, he offers an alternative, and leaves the stones as they are. He doesn't try to run away, but just counters. It's very interesting to me. I wouldn't have considered the move he just played.

I want to think about this for a bit...

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Kirby wrote:
One thing I find interesting is that MW does not try to help out his group when he is (in my opinion) disadvantaged in the area. Instead, he offers an alternative, and leaves the stones as they are. He doesn't try to run away, but just counters. It's very interesting to me. I wouldn't have considered the move he just played.

I want to think about this for a bit...

I've heard it said that real gangsta-ass go players can't run fast.


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jts wrote:
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Kirby wrote:
One thing I find interesting is that MW does not try to help out his group when he is (in my opinion) disadvantaged in the area. Instead, he offers an alternative, and leaves the stones as they are. He doesn't try to run away, but just counters. It's very interesting to me. I wouldn't have considered the move he just played.

I want to think about this for a bit...

I've heard it said that real gangsta-ass go players can't run fast.


@jts:
I'm going to assume that being a "gangsta-ass go player" is a desirable state. If so, presumably I should not have to run to play well.

Thank you for the tip.

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