This week it's my turn to recover from jet lag. Will post when my brain clears up.
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| Author: | EdLee [ Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:31 pm ] |
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This week it's my turn to recover from jet lag. Will post when my brain clears up.
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| Author: | Celebrir [ Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 166. EdLee vs. Celebrir |
Take your time Jetlag can be really bad, I know that...
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| Author: | EdLee [ Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:46 pm ] |
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I'm not sure of the best direction, and I don't think getting over my jetlag will help tremendously here.  |
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| Author: | Celebrir [ Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 166. EdLee vs. Celebrir |
I expect something like this:
The nice thing in this variation would be that there is still some aji from the 'a' direction. If I block from the other direction his position would look better in my opinion:
 Already would hurt me a little bit becaus it is pushing from behind. Besides  looks bad in front of his strength and his stones doesn't look that overconcentrated at all because he easily can close me in. Therefore I prefer teh variation of Dia. 1 |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:29 pm ] |
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and  ,  looks less interesting, but I could be wrong. |
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| Author: | Celebrir [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 166. EdLee vs. Celebrir |
I guess this is the only move. At least I don't know any other moves and since this is closed book I can't lookup others. If anyone knows other variations which would be better here I'm very interested. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:52 am ] |
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| Author: | Celebrir [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 166. EdLee vs. Celebrir |
Sorry that I'm taking so much time, but I have to do a lot at my university 
I first feared this  but after some thinking I decided I can answer this around  He might be able to close me in the corner but this doesn't seem so good because is low. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:41 am ] |
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No problem, Celebrir. First feeling. (a) and (b) miai? Will think about it.
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| Author: | EdLee [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:12 pm ] |
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| Author: | Celebrir [ Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 166. EdLee vs. Celebrir |
Let's review another joseki to compare this result:
From some high dans I heared this is not longer considered equal because it is a little bit to slow for W. I think my position is better because I was able to play at 'a' instead of  . Normally you get sente in this joseki but I tennukied once so it is only fair that he gets sente. Even if he tries to continue with 'b' I think his position at the left is not big enough to be worried about. Therefore I'm quite happy with this result. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:32 pm ] |
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Not sure about this result. |
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| Author: | Celebrir [ Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 166. EdLee vs. Celebrir |
I'm thinking about this quite a lot. I won't connect because if he would cut it looks overconcentrated:
Points I'm thinking about are  , 'a' 'b' and 'c'I'm currently tending to play 'a' because that looks like a perfect shape if B plays there. But playing should be sente. But how good is this sente and how much is it ajikeshi ?One could argue that the B group becomes unstable if I would connect, but it is safe with more points like this in my opinion:
Even this cut doesn't look great to me. |
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| Author: | Celebrir [ Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 166. EdLee vs. Celebrir |
Some thoughts about the moves I mentioned in Dia. 4: :
This doesn't look that bad but I think it would be better if woulb already be on the 4th line.a:
This prevents his ideal shape at the right and I think he has to secure his corner after this move because I can start a really serious attack if I get and . This sequence would give me sente and besides looks like a good and flexible reduction. I think I even could play elsewhere now because it seems difficult to attack in a effective way. However, I would have to be careful with creating another weak group while this is still unsettled.b:
I'm not sure whether the exchange is good but it would allow me to fight at the left. Maybe a or b would be good moves.c:
There are far to much possible reactions to explain here but I think this is not so because helps black a lot. I think it is better to do another reduction here later.I think and c are not best for the reasons given in the explanations and my feeling is that b is to slow. Therefore I'm going to play a and wait for his reactions to choose my next step. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:23 am ] |
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W is treading lightly with -- 4th line, not 3rd,perhaps partly because it's not easy to settle either way. One first feeling is --between  and  , is a light reduction; but after , seems deeper:
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| Author: | EdLee [ Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:50 am ] |
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After some thought, , although not small, seems soft:
Back to the board. After , it seems there's little development on the right side.Big: the left, the top, and (a) is a big shared point at the bottom. So what to do about ?
The next idea was the cap ...
If outside hane  , then after  , I start to get busy with the group (for example: push-and-cut (b), cut at (c), etc.),even though I have things like  (d) (which may not be sente):
If inside hane , this fight looks OK for B...
...However, if , (e)-  (f) makes a broken shape for B, not good;else if at (g), then it seems group will get busy:
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| Author: | Celebrir [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 166. EdLee vs. Celebrir |
I have to admit that  is a move I didn't expect but I can't say it is bad. I think  is an important point for both in sente so I'll take it first. I'm already thinking about what I'll play afterwards but I'm still very unsure...
I think is the only move here. If he play something else he'll damage his top group to much I think. After this I'm thinking about a (Running into safety) b (Fighting for a better result than a) and c (Getting a base before going into the middle. But this would also give him some points) |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:40 am ] |
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Natural, only move? Variation (right side rotated for space): If at first, then it's more difficult for B to block at (a); B would pull back at (b)...
exchange, if now, B can block with :
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| Author: | Celebrir [ Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 166. EdLee vs. Celebrir |
I'm playing this because I doesn't want to fight with b in Dia. 10. I was thinking long about c in Dia. 10 but it seems like B gets to much in the corner while W gets only a little bit better base. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:50 pm ] |
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First feeling:
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