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 Post subject: Re: #170 Hyperpape vs. Opex
Post #61 Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:54 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm48
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O X 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O 2 4 . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


A trigger if you so desire.

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Post #62 Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:59 am 
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Let's see if this is an overplay
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[go]$$Bcm52
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O O O 1 . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #63 Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:56 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm52
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O X X 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O O O 1 . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The question before this move was whether I could convince myself to resign, and I can't quite do it. There are no lines that are favorable for me, but I think there are some complicated ones, and I can't prove to my satisfaction that they're all dead-ends for White--the branching factor is really high, given my reading skills. So I'll continue to play a few moves, and analyze as I go.

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Post #64 Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:04 pm 
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It does look just a little seki-ish. Too hard for white though, maybe.

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Post #65 Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:30 am 
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Still forced
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[go]$$Bcm54
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . O X O 1 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O O O X . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #66 Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:34 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm54
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . O X O 1 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O O O X . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I still can't get my reading organized. There are just too many lines, and too many duplicates. Whether I should atari here or hold it in reserve is not at all obvious to me.

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Post #67 Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:44 am 
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The decision point for me.

I'm counting on this continuation.
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[go]$$Bcm56
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . a 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 3 X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 6 4 O X O X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O X X O b . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O O O X . . . O . . . . . |[/go]

After :w61: there is a choice between :b62: and b. Although the second secures right cutting group and my bottom center group, I'm afraid that white a is fatal for the left cutting group and/or the top left corner. So I'll try to reinforce the left hoping that I can withstand the attack on the right side.
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[go]$$Bcm56
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . O X O X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O O O X . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #68 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:10 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm56
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . O X O X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O O O X . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #69 Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:32 am 
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[go]$$Bcm58
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 X O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . O X O X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O O O X . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #70 Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:45 am 
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For Opex, after the game.
In general, you want to avoid this kind of exchange ( :b56: - :w57:), if you can help it:
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . @ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . B @ B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . O X @ X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O O O X . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #71 Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:43 pm 
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I resign. Thank you for the game.

At this point, I'm confident that my only hope is for you to make a blunder, and I'm not going to keep playing without more than that.

You played quite well, and I played a very rash move that would only work if you'd screwed up.

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Post #72 Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:35 am 
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Thank you very much for the game! I enjoyed it :)

Thanks to observers for comments!

EdLee, what would you have played as :b20: ?

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