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Offline Boidhre
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #161 Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:46 am 
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Sorry, I feel like crap at the moment.
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Offline tomukaze
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #162 Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:04 am 
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Nah bother Bhoy!
Take your time.

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Offline Boidhre
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #163 Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 12:14 pm 
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Tom asked to restart this so:

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[go]$$Bcm88 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . 4 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Nothing interesting about this, forces another move from Tom to connect then I play Q12. Playing Q12 immediately invites a bunch of atari nonsense.
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Offline tomukaze
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #164 Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:12 pm 
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So here we go!

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[go]$$Bcm88 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . 4 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . 6 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Boidhre
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #165 Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:45 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm88 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . 6 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 C X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think I can kill the group on the right but right now I don't think it's alive. By making this group solid I think I'm threatening making the right live small and getting my group on the left alive whilst doing it. We'll see how Tom reacts, I think reducing myself to one clearly weak group cannot be bad here.
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Offline tomukaze
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #166 Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:10 am 
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Arghhhhh!


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[go]$$Bcm88 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . O . . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . 6 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 C X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Boidhre
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #167 Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:36 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm88 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X 9 O . O . . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . 6 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 C X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This looks fun. :D


Edit:

The best sequence for White I think, the others seem to end in death:

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[go]$$Bcm96 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O 4 7 . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 6 X 2 . 3 O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X 1 O . O 5 . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White's alive, I'm connected. That's the best I can read out anyway.
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Offline tomukaze
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #168 Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:29 am 
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[go]$$Bcm88 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X 0 . . O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X 9 O . O . . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . 6 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 C X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think he is wasting ko threats by playing this out :(

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Offline Boidhre
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #169 Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:36 am 
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[go]$$Bcm98 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X O . 1 O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O . . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Edit: Forgot to add prisoners.
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Offline tomukaze
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #170 Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:30 am 
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[go]$$Bcm98 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O 2 . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X O . 1 O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O . . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The only move.
Here are some variations I have read out.

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[go]$$Bcm98 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . 8 . . 7 . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X 6 X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O 2 4 . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 5 X O . 1 O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O 3 . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I wonder how black will answer :w5: :scratch:

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[go]$$Bcm98 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O 2 3 . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X O . 1 O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O . 4 X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This one I live easily.

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 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #171 Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:29 am 
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[go]$$Bcm98 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O 2 . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X O . 1 O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O 3 . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tom's next move will be interesting. It's quite possible that he'll fight here, there are a lot of variations.
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 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #172 Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:23 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm98 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O 2 4 . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X O . 1 O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O 3 . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #173 Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:40 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm98 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X . X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O 4 . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 5 X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Show me what I've missed Tom. :)

I can't see how he lives here. I'm missing something. I've weaknesses on top but I can't read out anything that kills it or makes an eye for him there.
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Offline XiaoDragon
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #174 Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:11 pm 
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It's a bit more complicated than they think, but I think W is dead.
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Offline The Intrepid
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #175 Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:31 pm 
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At a quick glance, this seems to kill:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . 6 . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X 5 3 . . 2 . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . 4 X X 1 X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |[/go]
Edit:
Actually, White can play atari in this position and fight a ko, so maybe not all is lost:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O 1 . X X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |[/go]

XiaoDragon, what's the killing sequence you found?

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Offline The Intrepid
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #176 Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:36 pm 
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Another try for Black also ends in ko:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X 4 . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . 3 5 . 2 . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X 1 X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 6 X X 2 . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X 4 O O 1 X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , 5 3 X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm12
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X C X X O 3 . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X O O O X X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O 2 X X X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |[/go]

The ko fight might proceed like this:
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[go]$$Wcm15
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 1 X X O X . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O C O O O X X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O X X X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O 3 O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm18
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X X . . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X C X X O X . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O 1 O O O X X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O X X X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X X 3 . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 1 X X O X . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O C O O O X X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O X X X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . 2 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black killed a few White stones but lost some stones himself in the top left. Overall, White came out ahead. White is fortunate Black does not have any huge ko threats.

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Offline Boidhre
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #177 Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:46 pm 
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Haha guys, you are doing nothing to remove my sense of foreboding about my last move! :D

A situation like this is complicated for me, too complicated for me to be sure that I've fully read it out. However, if I can't see a way for white to live like here I think I need to make the move that I think kills. Especially if I'm playing someone stronger than me. If I'm wrong, I'll be shown why and hopefully I'll learn something from it. :)

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Offline XiaoDragon
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #178 Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:58 am 
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You are right. It is ko. I kept reading white throw-in first so that threw me off :P.
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Offline tomukaze
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #179 Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:19 am 
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[go]$$Bcm98 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X 6 X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O 4 . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 5 X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, here goes nothing! :rambo:

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Offline Boidhre
 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #180 Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:26 am 
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[go]$$Bcm98 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . 7 . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X 6 X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O 4 . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 5 X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well the result of this should finish the game quickly anyway! :rambo:
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