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[go]$$Bm123 :w3:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O X O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . X , . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . O X . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . O . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | X . X O X . . . O . X X O O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . . . 1 O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #202 Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:53 am 
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[go]$$Bm123 :w3:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O X O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . X , . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . O X . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . O . 2 . . . . X X . . |
$$ | X . X O X . . . O . X X O O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . . . 1 O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Either I just hit the jackpot or I have miscalculated brutally. :scratch:

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:black: :black:

Tim, thank you for the game -- have a nice summer! :)

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Post #204 Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:56 am 
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Thank you too - it was a fun game and I think I also learned some things from it - this was my first correspondence game ever, having time to think well was really nice. Re: improving: At least I have managed to make some even wins agains local 2 dans lately :)

I'll make a post-mortem of some key points from my perspective later in the evening.

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Post #205 Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:48 am 
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Wow, these games are so long!

April 7 tesuji wins the day. :bow:

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Post #206 Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:49 am 
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i didnt really count but...it appears that black is still winning. no?

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wineandgolover wrote:
Wow, these games are so long!
April 7 tesuji wins the day.
My previous game was 11 days short of 1 year. :)
Which Apr 7 move ( :w94: ? Because of time zone differences, time stamps are local! ) ?

MW: my counting is terrible, but even without w124 I thought I was behind.
I'm sure my mistakes were much earlier.

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Post #208 Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:10 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
i didnt really count but...it appears that black is still winning. no?


I suck at counting, but in my counting I was cruising to comfortable victory already before 123-124?

sgf with some comments below. To sum in one sentence why I think I got ahead: In multiple situations I was able to grap sente from local situation - I don't think I should have gotten it so often so easily (46, 66&70, 92(kindof, from side area), 102, 114-116)



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Post #209 Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:38 am 
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Doesn't B have resources in the final position?


First B cuts to see if W wants to kill the central two black stones. Assume W does:
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O X O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . 6 O 5 X , . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 3 4 . . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . O X . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . O . 2 . . . . X X . . |
$$ | X . X O X . . . O . X X O O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . . . 1 O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Now B commences central operations. Again, W has a choice but W 8 below is (I think) forced if W wants the lot:

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[go]$$Bm7
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O X O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . O O X X , . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O 5 . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . 8 O X 4 6 . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 7 O 1 O 2 . . . X X . . |
$$ | X . X O X . . . O 3 X X O O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Now B has a tesuji in centre:


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[go]$$Bm15
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O X O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . O O X X , . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O X O O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X O X O O . . . X X . . |
$$ | X . X O X . 3 2 O X X X O O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . 1 . X O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Now W has a choice. Suppose W captures:

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[go]$$Wm18
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O X O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . O O X X , . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O X O O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O 5 . 1 3 O X O O . . . X X . . |
$$ | X . X O X 4 X O O X X X O O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . 2 X . X O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O 6 . . O X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O X 7 . . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O . . . 8 . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


W may play 24 at 25. It's unclear to me what happens in this case, but B seems to get a plausible looking semeai. (I haven't included any diagrams for this line.)

Again W has a choice. Caturing the stone looks ropey, so W may well extend:



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[go]$$Wm26
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O X O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . O O X X , . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . a X X O X . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O X O O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . O O O X O O b . . X X . . |
$$ | X . X O X X X O O X X X O O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . X X . X O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . O X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O X O 1 . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O . 3 2 X . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . 5 4 . 6 . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


B gets a ko. I think B has some loacl threats (e.g. playing at a threatens the top left white group which can be cut off if W ignores the threat. The move at b is also a threat) So it's unclear B ha lost.

Going back, W may not caputre in anwer to B's tesuji:
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[go]$$Wm18
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O X O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . O O X X , . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O 2 O O X O O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . 4 3 5 O X O O . . . X X . . |
$$ | X . X O X . X O O X X X O O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . 6 1 X . X O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O 8 7 . O X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


B plays some ataris and pushes, and W seems to be in trouble.


There is an English Go proverb: Resigning never won a game of Go.


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Post #210 Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:40 am 
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drmwc wrote:
There is an English Go proverb: Resigning never won a game of Go.
I wouldn't be surprised if this proverb is borrowed from a corresponding chess saying. :)

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