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Author: | Phelan [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
We agreed on an even game with 6.5 komi, Japanese rules, closed book. Here's nigiri: :white: Edit: ugh, it seems I can't get this right. I picked 5 white stones. If you guessed odd, pick a color. Pick odd or even, and pick a color if you guess right. Have a good game! Edit: fixed hidden. |
Author: | tomukaze [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
Even! |
Author: | The Intrepid [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
You do it like this: |
Author: | Phelan [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
tomukaze wrote: Even! Then I guess I get to pick. I'll take black.
Have a good game! I'm going in with sanrensei in mind, as usual, but I kind of want to mix it up this game. Not sure how yet. |
Author: | tomukaze [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
Not sure about my opponent but, I'll play my usual 3,4 points and see what he wants. |
Author: | Phelan [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
Taking the other corner seems less good considering direction of play. |
Author: | lovelove [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
Since the moves are played, I want to say about something.
In pro games, almost every 3-4 as a second move is played there, D17. Because ...
Otherwise, a 4-4 facing a 3-4 stone this way usually brings a good result for black.
So I think the opening move orders were little weird. |
Author: | Phelan [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
lovelove wrote: Since the moves are played, I want to say about something.
In pro games, almost every 3-4 as a second move is played there, D17. Because ...
Otherwise, a 4-4 facing a 3-4 stone this way usually brings a good result for black.
So I think the opening move orders were little weird. I might have confused the wrong direction thing. :p I thought the usual reply was from the direction the 3-4 was low in. I don't usually use databases, so I'd never spot this one. Thanks for the correction. |
Author: | tomukaze [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
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Author: | Phelan [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
It was the first move I was drawn to.
My original plan was to play 'e', sanrensei. But this is too tempting. Approaching one of the corners at 'c' or 'd' seems good if White attaches below, but if he just plays away with a keima, it looks weird. I don't like it. 'b' was also an option, but I think it would work better if I definitely wanted to settle on the lower side, and I'm not sure I want to. My reason for is just to avoid a moyo forming there, and use that stone as a spoiler to his claims in that area. I have no idea what he'll play next, but I might just play sanrensei. Not sure it's as effective if it's not the third actual move in the game, or even if it's still considered sanrensei then. |
Author: | tomukaze [ Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
Sorry about the delay! Ok I'll take a shimari and see what he wants to do about the other corner. To be honest I would have thought that a direct approach on one of my corners would have been best... |
Author: | Phelan [ Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
No problem! Although I would appreciate it if you told me in advance if you know you'll be absent. I like his . It's a double purpose move, in that it threathens , and threathens building a moyo around where I played . While I don't like the threat to , I think letting him get a moyo is worse, since it would be pretty good with in play. I prefer denying it to him, while at the same time having potential for my own. |
Author: | tomukaze [ Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:54 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
Sure, I hadn't meant to be away so long but with the holidays time slipped away from me. Why not make a double enclosure. looks abit lonely now and really isn't doing anything. If he next plays;
I'll have to think about my reply but his "Moyo" isn't something to be worried about IMO. |
Author: | Phelan [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:54 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
Heh, yeah, I know how it is. It's happened to me before too. Same reasoning as before. I don't think the large enclosure vs close enclosure makes a big difference here. It might be relevant if I can get some black stones close to or to reduce or invade, but at the moment both enclosures are super safe. The difference in this position from my previous move, is that 5 was not as much under threat before than it is now. Still, I feel like I have a lot of places to run it to, and there's still a possibility of living locally. |
Author: | tomukaze [ Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
Why not , extension plus attack on |
Author: | Phelan [ Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
Moyo-ing it up. If he tries the same, I can reduce his from lower middle hoshi stone. |
Author: | tomukaze [ Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
Looking forward to the 3-3 points in the future. |
Author: | Phelan [ Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
Looks like an attempt to prevent a moyo from happening on the right. It can be easily separated from the rest of the white stones, however, so I don't know what he has in mind. I feel like I'm getting ahead by chasing him. |
Author: | tomukaze [ Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
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Author: | Phelan [ Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze |
Ok, his move annoyed me at first, because it seemed so good, and I had not seen it. I mean, If you just cut, you have a ladder that works for him:
And you don't even get much out of it. If you try to solidify your group, he gets a wall towards an open space, and yours looks towards his enclosure, so he gets off much better:
I only realized later than what was needed was to keep it simple. If someone attaches to your lone stone, extend:
There was another extension possible, but I don't think it's as good:
'a' or 'b' next only seem to help with eyes on one side, leaving the other open for attack. |
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