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Offline kex
 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #141 Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:26 am 
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ikkyu wrote:
B limits the amount of territory white can get on top


To ikkyu: How does that happen? Please explain.

What happens, if after B white L18?
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Offline The Intrepid
 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #142 Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:01 pm 
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kex wrote:
ikkyu wrote:
B limits the amount of territory white can get on top


To ikkyu: How does that happen? Please explain.

What happens, if after B white L18?

ikkyu won't open your hide tage until after the game, so he won't know about your questin until then. Is this what you had in mind?

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Offline kex
 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #143 Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:04 am 
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The Intrepid wrote:
ikkyu won't open your hide tage until after the game, so he won't know about your questin until then. Is this what you had in mind?


Well... There is some minor potential for affecting the game, so it is hidden. Otherwise it could be open. I am patient enough to wait until the end of the game :)
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Offline quietimes
 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #144 Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:38 pm 
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So, I'm looking at the board and I'm saying "WTH happened? If I don't get C/D 8, it's over. Well that and penetrate left on 14-15 and reduce.


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Offline ikkyu
 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #145 Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:30 am 
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Gote, but secures territory and removed bad aji. It was either this or H18. I'm honestly not sure which is bigger.
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Offline quietimes
 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #146 Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:59 pm 
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So ill timed, maybe. But it has to be done if I am going to have a stake in this game. I think, anyways. fight it out to make life as the goal


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$$ | . . . X . . X O . . . . . . . 7 O . O |
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$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
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Offline ikkyu
 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #147 Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:38 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Alright, ladies and gentlemen. Step right up and place your bets. Can white live here? Has black badly bungled? Are the two large-knights connecting F6, G9, and K8 going to be an achilles heel? What will happen next?
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Offline billywoods
 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #148 Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:07 pm 
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ikkyu wrote:
Step right up and place your bets.

My bet: white should die with simple solid play from black. That doesn't necessarily mean killing will be easy, of course, but...

ikkyu wrote:
Are the two large-knights connecting F6, G9, and K8 going to be an achilles heel?

K8 doesn't desperately need to connect to G9 (it's small anyway, but if you want to keep it, it can also connect to L9). The large knight's move between F6 and G9 is fine - large knight's moves can get cut, but not necessarily profitably, as you're strong both above and below.
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Offline quietimes
 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #149 Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:16 pm 
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Right so wth was white thinking? right? Well here it is. I read several variations on connecting and tapping the shoulder on B10. I didn't like them and I guess I expect him to expect me to do it. So going high I hope to find a little advantage in surprise and maybe poke the confidence a little. Maybe shake something loose. Next move really depends on what black does. My guess is going to be C10. Dunno. Maybe I'm blowing it.

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Well, my thought is if black goes C10 I will go over him and try to isolate group
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$$ | . . 8 . . . O . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . X . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . 3 2 . . . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . 6 5 . . X . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O 7 . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Putting down the bong now.
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Offline ikkyu
 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #150 Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:43 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . X O . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X 3 . X . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
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$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #151 Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:09 pm 
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Right. Soooo. hmmmmm. I'm going to commit to a non-confident move. Jump in between, cause its a two limb tree to read for his next move and I like some of the outcomes.
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$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O X . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 . O . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X 3 4 X . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . 7 O 6 . . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . 8 . . . X . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
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or

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$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O X . . . . X X . |
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$$ | . . . X . . X O . . . . . . . X O . O |
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$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 7 O . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X 3 4 X . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . 0 O 5 9 . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 . X . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
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$$ | . . . X . . X O . . . . . . . X O . O |
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$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Meh, it has been a fun game regardless
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Offline ikkyu
 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #152 Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:24 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 . O . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My poorly-tuned intuition tells me that the following two points are vital here and that if I can play on either or both of them, white's going to have a hard time living. Do bear in mind, I'm working on two hours of sleep.

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$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . a . . . . X . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . b . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #153 Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:14 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O X . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O . O . X . . . X O . . |
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Offline The Intrepid
 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #154 Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:34 pm 
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White probably should have tried this:
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$$ | . . X X C X . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O 2 1 . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 . X . . . X O . O O . O . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
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Offline ikkyu
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Post #155 Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:17 pm 
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$$ | . . . O O 7 . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O X . . . . X X . |
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$$ | . . . . . X O . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X 2 O . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O O . 4 . . , X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . 1 . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Offline quietimes
 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #156 Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:49 pm 
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If hind sight is truly 20/20, I might actually be a very poor go player. :^) As it stands my goal is to make two eyes and bolt. I thought about being a little unorthodox again , with an F9 approach...briefly, trying to make a "flower pattern/trap but for the purpose making a two strong eye potential. However thought better of it quickly, reading black to walk out and put me in trouble.
Thought about a one point jump at F8 however that would leave him with a tiger jaw and a big foot in the door.

At this point I am just trying to keep black's interest before he jumps in @ C10 or the 7-8 file.

And what is meaning of the term aji?


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$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O X . . . . X X . |
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$$ | . . . O O 7 . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 . X . . . X O . O O . O . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
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Offline ikkyu
 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #157 Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:56 am 
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Offline skydyr
 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #158 Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:14 am 
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Aji is when there is a weakness left behind that it may be possible to exploit later on, like a cutting point or placement possibility. Sometimes, the aji alone isn't enough to exploit, but can be combined with other aji to make a workable invasion, cut, or other beneficial play. Literally, it comes from the japanese word for 'taste'.
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Offline illluck
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Post #159 Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:56 am 
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Good idea to remove eyespace, but feels like a bit too much. Looks complicated as below:

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$$ | . . . . . X O . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . 9 . . O . X . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 0 . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
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I would consider just the below:
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$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 9 . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Offline quietimes
 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #160 Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:04 pm 
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So this is looking like an increasingly (in a logarithmic kind of way) bad situation and I have to decide when to cut and run. If it was an SDK i was playing I would likely bolt. If I was playing an SDK I would not likely get this far. So, here is how I see it. Either black will put a kill move on the board in the next couple moves or I will shake a mistake out of him. I can sacrifice two more stones cause if I don't make this bid, the game is pretty much done.

I will tap the black stone, again trying to do the unexpected here
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O X . . . . X X . |
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$$ | . . . X . . X O . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . O . X . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . 2 . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


To a DDK like myself and my opponent, I perceive there is a legitimate threat to connecting my group to J6 and away we go. Whether or not that is true is not what I'm selling. My guess is that black will do one of three things as follows.

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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O X . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . O . X . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . 2 3 . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 5 . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 6 X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now with this, imo the most likely variation, he will either invade to kill from the left and I will smoke F6 and do ugly things or defend F6 and I will jump out to the left and secure two eyes. Most likely because of blacks mostly consistent style of conservative play.

Here will be a kill shot with black having the opportunity to ladder out or group up and kill. In this I would walk out and connect without the two eyes.
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O X . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . 1 . 3 O . X . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . 2 . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 6 . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X 5 . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Third and probably the second most likely variation is that black will drill up through the floor for a kill shot.

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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O X . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . O . X . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O 3 . 2 . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Here I would walk out the brief ladder and kill with two eyes (shhh, don't mock if I'm wrong. I didn't read it out closely-was an after thought)

or sub-variation 2
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O X . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . O . X . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O 4 . 2 . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 5 . 6 . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

and walk it out.

I could also be extremely optimistic or mistaken. Not ruling that out.

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[go]$$Bcm79
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O X . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . 9 . . O . X . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . 0 . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . O . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . X X O O . O . . . . . O O X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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