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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My original plan was to play around B, but this exposes me to being hit on the head at D15, so I'm looking at A but don't like the shape it makes. White's push through gives black shape issues, and white also has sente to approach from the direction of B and ruin black's potential for a base. I haven't found a sharp enough follow-up that white would be forced to defend the top. I don't think breaking into the top side with a weak group and giving white cause to strengthen the rest of it is adequate compensation, especially when I can do something on the left and still leave invasion potential on top.

My main goal here is to get a strong group going so that I don't have to worry about white's potential nearly as much as he has to worry about mine, and I definitely don't want to end up heavy. If I end in sente to take the bottom, that would be nice, but I suspect it's asking way too much, and I'd be comfortable dealing with a white stone at O3 in any case. Given the thinness of white's positions, also, there seems to be a lot of trading potential here regarding the bottom left. I may need to consider a big move at B4 urgent once white gets the bottom side if I can no longer trade for the left side.

It just occurred to me that after the jump at A, I can counter pincer a base-stealing move and start a fight:

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$$ | . . 2 X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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I don't see anything great out of this fight, though.

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[go]$$Wcm11
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$$ | . . 1 3 . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 7 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This may have more potential, though puts the kibosh on a lot of black's options, and hurts the upper group.

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[go]$$Wcm11
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$$ | . . 1 3 . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is similarly problematic. Two space extension it is.

if black responds to this kick, I will next hane on the head of the two black stones, having strenghtened my position below.

White still needs to fix his shape up on the left somehow, and my group is strengthened, so I am satisfied.

Sadly after 1-4 below, black can ladder 3 by starting with A, which I somehow ignored earlier. So I probably have to defend to stop that, and then black might consider a tenuki to bottom. I would really like to ge to bottom first, but the purpose of my marked move was to threaten below and I'm going to stick by that.

If I now took some other move than on top, I would then want to have the marked move at c...

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[go]$$Wcm1
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$$ | . c O W . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 a . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 3 b . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Something like this looks playable, but that's a lot of topside strength white gets. On the other hand, black ends in sente to grab the bottom side, and I think there's still an invasion around K17 or L16 or so. On the other hand, without having ataried at F15, white can atari the other way and black collapses. The other problem is that the C15 stones are weak and can still be cut off.

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[go]$$Bc 11 is marked
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$$ | . . O O 4 . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 2 6 . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Part of me really wants to just jump out:

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$$ | . . 2 X 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . 4 6 . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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But the peep afterwards is painful. I suppose I could do this:

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 O . 5 . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But above leads to some amount of pain, and I don't see any neat tesuji to save the two stones. On the other hand, those stones aren't doing that much and still retain aji. Maybe I could play this way after:

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But it doesn't seem to lead anywhere good. I suppose tenuki would be fine. Black has decent enough shape and is outside. White's capture is also pretty slow, so he would probably skip it for the time being.

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$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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This looks interesting, but it's cuttable without too many direct reprecussions for white.

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[go]$$Wcm11
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$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 6 X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 7 4 1 2 . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Something like this may work.

I've decided I can be satisfied with the results from this, given the current situation.

Yes, I could throw in a cut first, but the followups seem like below, and I prefer the one with no cut - in the other case I just help Black make shape towards center.

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[go]$$Wcm21
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$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm21
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$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I wasn't expecting the solid connection, but I suppose white's not poorly off this way. Things have settled down here, so I expect white to do something on the bottom side next.

well, let's see how this side goes - wondered about more exotic approaches, but whatever I do, I will be at initial disadvantage in this area, sho let's think more after black's reply to this.

I'm hoping for anything but the low extension on the other side of the hoshi. That would make it harder for me to play on right side, and at the same time stabilize the situation too much.

This looks fun and consistent with San-ren-sei. If he jumps, I may consider the cutting variation.

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[go]$$Wcm21
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$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 0 9 . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , 7 8 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . 4 . 3 . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This joseki?

That's the one, but I haven't really done much reading around it as yet. I may not end up playing that way if I see something horrible. I don't like the standard joseki giving white so much control over the center in this game, though, and would like to get something working on the lower left side later if possible.

Taking 33 instead would be too easy on black imho. let's see where this leads. I would love to get corner if black gets wall towards the low stones on bottom, not so much if the wall is towards right side.

Well, that was unexpected. I think if I attach at O4 I should come out with enough profit, and the upper right is strong enough. Splitting directly at P5 also seems possible, with an eye at conceding the bottom for strength on the right. I imagine white will try and solidify the right or make sabaki and then poke at the upper right weaknesses. I'm getting the impression, based on other posts outside of here that Tim82 has made, that this game may be underhandicapped, but I'm still playing to win.

Yes, I thought that would be the most natural answer. I see two main ways forward, a and b.

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[go]$$Wcm31
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$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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First a: something like below seems likely. After black has to defend the corner, and there will be some aji left there, but the three white stones feel heavy to me.

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$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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So b, which goes probably either like this:

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$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . 1 X . X 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X 2 O 4 . 5 . . |
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or like this:

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$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . 1 X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X 3 O 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . |
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I think I can live with either option following b, although the second feels a bit greedy (by white) to me. Perhaps I can be a bit greedy, giving some handicap? As I mentioned earlier, taking the 33 directly would probably been the honest option...

I think I should get a good result on the right side with this, and leaves good cutting aji. If white tries to take the corner at the 3-3, I will give it to him in exchange for weakening . at R4 is more interesting. I think making a bamboo joint in response would be fine.

I guess we'll se how good an attack black gets going on

I want to keep my shape rock-solid for the upcoming fight. I considered other moves to claim the corner more, but I don't like the aji they leave.

I don't like . It doesn't put enough pressure / exert enough control on my stones en either side of the corner - perhaps I can try to tenuki? With I'm tryin to get black to help me on the bottom, while at the same time stabilizing my stones on left. See below for an example development (I think at B would be a mistake, since I can then play C).

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$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . b . . X . c 2 . . X O O a . . . . |
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