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 Post subject: Re: Kingo Malkovitch#1: Jeromie vs. Hyperpape
Post #81 Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:41 am 
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First reaction is that I don't get this move. It feels like endgame, and I want to tenuki to build the moyo. I'm going to mull it over, because maybe the kings mean I could get pushed around somehow. Also I don't really have a strong feel for where to play if I tenuki.

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Post #82 Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:37 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . d . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . b b . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , a . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . g . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . e f . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Here's a wide range of moves that spring to mind. d builds a bit, but is mostly defensive. b puts a lot of eggs in one basket.


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[go]$$Bcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . 7 . 3 2 . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 6 4 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . 3 . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think right away, this cut isn't too dangerous.

I haven't mentioned pawns or kings, but I don't think I'd consider playing a king for any of these moves.

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I wonder about :b1: :
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #84 Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:55 am 
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I feel very uncomfortable in positions this open ended, and often end up playing on instinct. For instance, when I try to analyze this super-large knight's move, I think of White playing a knight's move against my corner. What else should I consider?

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[go]$$Bcm33
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . a . 3 . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Perhaps leaving a is not so good.

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[go]$$Bcm33
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , 3 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Seems alright.

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[go]$$Bcm33
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , 3 . . 9 7 X 5 . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . 2 . 6 4 8 . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This kind of development would really put all my eggs in one basket, but I think it could be good in spite of that?

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[go]$$Bcm33
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 2 . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 3 . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #85 Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:15 am 
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[go]$$Bcm33
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #86 Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:32 pm 
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This move honestly surprised me. My initial thought is that it is an overplay, but looking at it more closely that may not be the case. Black doesn't necessarily need another move in the bottom right immediately, and if I'm not careful invading there will give black a lot of influence and make turning the center into territory easy.

Initial thoughts for moves (I'll need to think / read a bit before deciding):
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[go]$$Bcm33
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . a . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . d . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . e , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . b . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


  • a gives me a chance to make territory on the top and / or attack the cutting point in black's upper right.
  • b or c gives me a chance to invade the bottom right before it becomes territory. A high approach in that corner may also work.
  • d acts as a calm reduction that should be able to connect to the upper left.
  • e looks to indirectly attack black's last move and perhaps shore up my upper left where there may be some forcing moves.

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Post #87 Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:04 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm33
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . a . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I feel like the right move is to play somewhere in the upper left quadrant with the aim of reducing the black moyo and exploiting the possible cut at a. I haven't decided on exactly where to play, though.

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Post #88 Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:04 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm33
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I feel like I need to make a move from the outside to reduce the black moyo before I invade in the lower right. I wish I could say I had read out a bunch of variations and am certain this is the right place to play, but honestly I'm going on my gut. It's close to the sector line of black's moyo - perhaps it's just a touch beyond the line, but I think that's okay because of the potential cut on the top. I also considered K12, but felt it was just a touch too far. I want to take advantage of the cut marked with the triangle below without playing so closely that I induce him to fix the weakness right away. Whatever I do here, ending in sente is important: if black strengthens the outside and gets to play in the lower right,
I'll have a hard time catching up.

Remaining big areas:

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[go]$$Bcm33
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . a . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . T . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . e , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . d . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . c . . b . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #89 Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:04 am 
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This move is way further out than I expected. The immediate question is what happens if I just treat it as a reduction and play below it? Can white make me pay on the top?
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . 9 8 . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 0 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 3 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . 7 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm43
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . X O . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 2 O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 3 . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This looks unambitious. I'm not in a really great position to attack White's stone, but maybe there is a move that can put some pressure on it?

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Post #90 Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:22 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . 3 . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My thought here is that this move simultaneously keeps my stone on the top safe, while threatening to separate White's central stone from his strong position on the left. If White plays to connect back (seems unlikely), or to reinforce the stone in the center (seems moderately likely), that feels very small, and I can take a big point to reinforce my moyo (should've done a rough count, but I didn't). If he leaves the stone in the center as a probe, and plays in the lower right, we'll go from there.

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Post #91 Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:42 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . 3 . , . . b . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . a . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The primary moves I am considering at this point are a and b. a has the advantage of connecting my stone with my group on the side, at which point I can launch a fairly aggressive attempt to reduce the center. If he makes a move that will protect the center I can follow up with the cut at b without too much concern about 34 being cut off (though I do have to look out for the forcing move at E14).

b makes the cut I am aiming at directly. I'm concerned that black might be able to defend the center and the cut with a dual purpose move, and I want to make the cut while black's kings in the upper right are still something he has to concern himself with. However, if black defends with M15 I risk strengthening the center while making only a small gain along the top.

I think the strategic question to ask is: if black fixes the cut after I play a, can I invade / reduce enough to win?

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . 3 . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . 4 . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #93 Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:49 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . 3 . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . 4 . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . 5 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White has 14 LL, 10 UR, 16 UL or so, plus komi, minus group tax of 6, plus 9 kings on the board = 45 points showing? There's some room to grow for White in the upper left, and not much else. I have an enormous moyo. White should easily be able to live somewhere in the lower right, but this begins to sketch out two big areas I could try to enclose in spite of that. I don't feel too bad about the position.

Also, :w2: and :w4: are not fully connected to the left, but I can't hope to exploit that unless I get other stones nearby.

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Post #94 Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:27 pm 
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I think I need to go ahead and make an approach in the lower right before that gets closed off. I want to approach the corner, but I'm a little concerned about a move like 39 below allowing black to consolidate too much territory, but I can't find a better way for white to handle that area. I want to think on it a little more before I jump in rashly. Is there an outside move to disrupt the moyo that I can play first?

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . 3 . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . 4 . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . 5 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Upon further thought, I believe a move in the lower right at the moment simply helps black get all of his stones working together. I think such a move would be worth about 25 points, and that would leave black with too many points if that whole moyo becomes territory. I need to find a better way to invade or a way to reduce first and still retain sente for an invasion. Black is so thick right now it creates a problem. What can I attack? Can I make any stones weak so that I could attack them? I've got the cut to aim at and his group with the kings is heave and can help me wipe out some of the right side, but I need to plan this carefully.

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . 3 . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . 4 . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . 5 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Last time I described black as thick. That's not quite right - black has a lot of weaknesses. The problem is that if I take advantage of one weakness, black will inevitably shore up others while attacking my stone. I think I've made a mistake to let the tengen stone get in place.

I considered moves at all the circled points below. Really this is too many candidate moves, but I'm having trouble figuring out the best way to attack. I think I may be overcomplicating things and trying to get too fancy. Common sense says playing right in the middle of black's moyo is a bad idea, though it does look enticing since both sides are still open. But black would get to pick the direction of attack then, and I would loose the initiative. In the end, I think a simple move is best. The low approach is the most common move with the black configuration on the sides (Waltheri), and I don't think I should let the tengen stone make me throw that out completely. I do think I need to treat it lightly, almost as a probe, and see what black does next.
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$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . C . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W . . . . X . . . . C . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . O . . O . . . . . . . C . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . C . X . C C . 1 . . C . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . C . . . C . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . C C . . C . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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