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Author: | Magicwand [ Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:03 pm ] |
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for obs only: |
Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Tue May 03, 2011 7:18 pm ] |
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Author: | Magicwand [ Wed May 04, 2011 2:38 am ] |
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??? |
Author: | Kirby [ Wed May 04, 2011 4:22 am ] |
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I think DuskEagle meant to post this: |
Author: | Magicwand [ Wed May 04, 2011 6:15 am ] |
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Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Wed May 04, 2011 7:44 am ] |
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To observers: |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Thu May 05, 2011 12:41 pm ] |
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Author: | Magicwand [ Thu May 05, 2011 12:53 pm ] |
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that was fast |
Author: | Tooveli [ Thu May 05, 2011 2:31 pm ] |
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Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Sat May 07, 2011 3:32 pm ] |
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I think that the idea of 'gang malkovich' may be a failure. ( I'm not being negative when I say that. I half expected it. It, like other malkovich variations, was an experiment. If I can learn something from them, I'm happy. If they are successful and others enjoy them AND I learn something, I'm delighted. ) One of the five original participants dropped out early. Two more make token appearances. So only two of us remain to really contribute. And I'm finding it hard to do so. It has become like work. I only continue because I feel that I ought to since I started it. I guess that the problem is that it lacks a personal feel that go games usually have. It is no longer 'my' game. Many of the moves were ones that I would not have chosen. While I can intellectually appreciate the virtues of those moves, they don't feel like 'my' moves. How about the other four of you? Is it basically not a workable idea? Or was it a good idea but just being undermined by people's mis-aligned schedules? And the final question: do we want to continue? |
Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Sat May 07, 2011 8:00 pm ] |
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It started off fun and interesting, but after a little while it has lost a lot of its luster. I think you captured it best when you said, Joaz wrote: I guess that the problem is that it lacks a personal feel that go games usually have. It is no longer 'my' game. Many of the moves were ones that I would not have chosen. While I can intellectually appreciate the virtues of those moves, they don't feel like 'my' moves. That lack of personal investment in the game makes it hard for me to keep interested over long periods of time. I do think it is an interesting concept, and it seems to reveal how differently we all understand the game. I think I can also say that Magicwand is stronger than the five of us working together . But now, I feel I'm only continuing to contribute out of obligation, and would be fine with stopping. |
Author: | Kirby [ Sat May 07, 2011 8:12 pm ] |
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I vote 0.5 for resigning, and 0.5 for not resigning. |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Sun May 08, 2011 12:07 pm ] |
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I enjoyed the experiment. I think it's difficult because it requires so much effort to communicate between team members, it's time-consuming, which is why I only checked the sensei's page once per day if that. So, let's resign. ...Also, I want to read Magicwand's commentary ^^ |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Sun May 08, 2011 12:43 pm ] |
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Ok, I think we have a majority. @MW: We resign. Thanks for the game. Sorry that it didn't work as I was hoping. |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Sun May 08, 2011 1:26 pm ] |
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Magicwand wrote: for obs: this is what i would have played. can you see that black is riding the rhythm? what they played is not what i expected from dan level players. i guess 5 low dans = kyu level Looking back, I am astonished that we didn't play this, it's so obvious... |
Author: | Bantari [ Sun May 08, 2011 1:32 pm ] |
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Kirby wrote: |
Author: | mw42 [ Sun May 08, 2011 2:11 pm ] |
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Bantari wrote: |
Author: | Kirby [ Sun May 08, 2011 4:30 pm ] |
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daniel_the_smith wrote: ... it's time-consuming, which is why I only checked the sensei's page once per day if that... I wonder if there would have been more communication if the dialog had been held on L19. I suppose that we would have had more clutter in that case, though. |
Author: | Magicwand [ Wed May 11, 2011 5:42 am ] |
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Joaz Banbeck wrote: Ok, I think we have a majority. @MW: We resign. Thanks for the game. Sorry that it didn't work as I was hoping. i would like to play you 1-1 with 2 stone handy if you agree. hopefully this will prove my feeling of how strong others are. |
Author: | Mnemonic [ Fri May 13, 2011 2:54 am ] |
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Questions to the participants: 1) Do you think the main problem was communication and that this style could be successful if you could communicate better? You could e.i. play a game on a server with unlimited time and talk about it using Skype or teamspeak. Do you think this approach would work? 2) A lot of you seem to feel the one big problem was that you couldn't play "your" game. We have 2 Teamovich going on where you have similar problems (the game evolves radically different from what you expect/want) but it seems the Teamovich idea is a resounding success with the players. Would you feel more comfortable is you played a Teamovich against Magicwand? Do you think there is a significant difference between a Teamovich and the Gang Malkovich Idea? |
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