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by topazg Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:18 am
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by Jordus Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:48 am
Black chat:
Here is what I see....
$$Bcm50
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or (ignore variation 1 at move 16 and variation 1 at move 22)
so if white tries the ladder we will win it, if they don't we will get an even better result? at least that is what I am thinking... and we can actually come out of the ladder sooner than this too by playing the down part earlier...
I'm thinking...
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by Jordus Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:02 am
I'm thinking...
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by fwiffo Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:47 am
I say continue (B15), and see how it goes, but we're in a bad way.
$$Bcm51
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After white plays
a or
b , we need another move in the corner to stave of a white play of
c .
Compare with this result:
$$Bcm45 Joseki
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by fwiffo Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:38 am
bump
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by Joaz Banbeck Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:12 am
$$Bc
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by tj86430 Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:24 am
WIC:
$$Bc
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We can not sacrifice the two stones. Cutting @D13 seems to be another possibility, but it leads to very complicated variations I can not read accurately.
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by Redundant Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:04 am
tj86430 wrote: WIC:
$$Bc
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We can not sacrifice the two stones. Cutting @D13 seems to be another possibility, but it leads to very complicated variations I can not read accurately.
I also vote for this move. Here are some variations:
$$Wc
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc
Black is screwed as far as I can read
The cutting stones are heavy, and they need to come back and settle the corner.
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by Chew Terr Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:53 pm
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
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by topazg Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:06 pm
$$Bcm51 Prisoners: None
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Team+Obs:
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by fwiffo Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:43 pm
Black internal:
$$Bcm51 Prisoners: None
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Do we now play some move to make something out of our outside stones, or meekly defend against a white play at
a ? Are we even alive without defending against
a ?
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by Jedo Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:45 pm
So, i guess we might as well force a few times to strengthen the aji of these stones
$$Bcm51 Prisoners: None
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AFter this, I think we should try to make a move which counteracts whites thickness, makes some point and makes use of the new aji, so I suggest:
$$Bcm51 Prisoners: None
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The obvious problem with this move is it really doesn't make that many points since it can be easily undercut by white's thickness. This is just an idea though.
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by Joaz Banbeck Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:27 pm
fwiffo wrote: ...Are we even alive without defending against ( B18 ) ?
That does seem to be the most important question.
Jedo wrote: So, i guess we might as well force a few times to strengthen the aji of these stones
$$Bcm51 Prisoners: None
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: None
...
Both 55 and 57 seem like good ko threats to me. Are we sure we want to play them now?
Also, it may not be the best direction for those stones, whether it be now or later. If we ever get the opportunity to run as shown with the marked stones:
$$Bcm51 Prisoners: None
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...then we win the liberties race on the side.
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by Jordus Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:24 pm
@joaz
we wont get the opportunity to run...
$$Bcm51 Prisoners: None
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continued
$$Wcm Prisoners: None
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm Prisoners: None
I'm thinking...
