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| Author: | Numsgil [ Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Donut board |
Anybody interested in a game on this board? It has exactly one less space than a normal board. But 66% more edge  We could play it on a server even if there's one that could do this. The convex corners have me curious, because unlike normal corners they have all 4 liberties.
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| Author: | perceval [ Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
i ll be interested why not a malkovitch ? |
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| Author: | shapenaji [ Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
I've always wanted to do one of these! I would totally be in. EDIT: Though, my initial analysis is that the battles will interact very little, this will basically be a series of local life and death problems. Pincering will almost always be the right move (and close pincers.) An immediate pincer leads directly into a life and death struggle. BUT there IS something interesting, because of the special corners, it is actually rather difficult to kill things on the edge, if they can run along far enough, they will get free. |
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| Author: | perceval [ Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
shapenaji wrote: I've always wanted to do one of these! I would totally be in. EDIT: Though, my initial analysis is that the battles will interact very little, this will basically be a series of local life and death problems. Pincering will almost always be the right move (and close pincers.) An immediate pincer leads directly into a life and death struggle. BUT there IS something interesting, because of the special corners, it is actually rather difficult to kill things on the edge, if they can run along far enough, they will get free. i more or less thought the same thing but you could also try a moyo strategy. if you take the "internal" corners there is no escape so a runnning battle would be unplayable. for example |
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| Author: | emeraldemon [ Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
When I saw "donut board", I thought at first you meant a toroid, i.e. a board where the edges wrap around. That has been tried also a few times, it would make for an interesting malkovich 
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| Author: | Numsgil [ Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
I don't mind Malkovich, I just wasn't sure I could fine anyone interested given the time commitment (it's still about the same size as a proper board). Sounds like both shapenaji and perceval are game for a malkovich? I can set up two threads. Do we want to try and figure out how a handicap would work? Or just leave it as even (I think even is fine). |
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| Author: | perceval [ Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
i think even is fine between us given that its an unkown setup; please start the thread and we'  ll see
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| Author: | shapenaji [ Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
Sure, I'll play one. |
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| Author: | hyperpape [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
I'm interested if anyone else is. I can already tell from the other boards that my reading is screwy... |
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| Author: | Numsgil [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
I'd volunteer but I have my hands full
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| Author: | Loons [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
I have a question about donut board strategy which I will, perhaps erroneously, hide. |
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| Author: | hyperpape [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
Hiding seems like the right choice. |
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| Author: | Celebrir [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
| Author: | Numsgil [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
Anyone figure out any go software that can handle this board? SmartGo and Drago both fail because they don't seem to let you make boards larger than 19x19. CGoban let's you make 21x21, but there's no way to set edges in the center, or have permanent markings on the board to show the border. I hate trying to figure out variations with ascii diagrams. |
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| Author: | Celebrir [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
Numsgil wrote: Anyone figure out any go software that can handle this board? SmartGo and Drago both fail because they don't seem to let you make boards larger than 19x19. CGoban let's you make 21x21, but there's no way to set edges in the center, or have permanent markings on the board to show the border. I hate trying to figure out variations with ascii diagrams. Maybe you can make a 21x12 board with cgoban and mark the middle with squares. You can edit away captured stones and if you count just make a big seki in the middle. I know it's not really good, but the best which comes to my mind. |
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| Author: | Numsgil [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
Problem is that the squares disappear once you make a move (they're only recorded for a given node). But yeah, that's the best I've found so far, too. |
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| Author: | Celebrir [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
Numsgil wrote: Problem is that the squares disappear once you make a move (they're only recorded for a given node). But yeah, that's the best I've found so far, too. You have to make your moves with the stone edit tool. This way you're still at the same move. |
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| Author: | Numsgil [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
Ah, that's an idea.
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| Author: | tumble [ Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Donut board |
I like playing on a torus, like emeraldemon. So symmetrical! |
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