It is currently Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:31 pm

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 60 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
Offline
 Post subject: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #1 Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:59 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1752
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 366
Rank: KGS 2d
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


My naive feeling is to be more biased toward the corners in this game.

Hidden from topazg until after he moves:
I don't really know how to make use of the pie rule in this game as black. If I play a bad move, he won't invoke the switch, but by playing a good move he likely should switch. I have no clue what move would be just right to make the game even whether he switches or not, so I'll just hope he doesn't think about switching :)).

_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.


This post by Dusk Eagle was liked by 2 people: illluck, MarkSteere
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #2 Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:52 pm 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4470
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1558
Was liked: 637
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Let's do this, have a great game :)


This post by topazg was liked by: illluck
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #3 Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:53 pm 
Lives in sente

Posts: 1210
Liked others: 733
Was liked: 231
Rank: OGS 1d
KGS: illluck
Tygem: Trickprey
OGS: illluck
*grabs popcorn*


This post by illluck was liked by: MarkSteere
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #4 Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:14 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1752
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 366
Rank: KGS 2d
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm3 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Split the board up.

_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #5 Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:24 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4470
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1558
Was liked: 637
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm3 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 2 , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Some vague effort at symmetry, because why not?

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #6 Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:33 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1752
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 366
Rank: KGS 2d
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

I actually looked in a joseki dictionary before playing this move. I deserve to be mocked in the comments.

One interesting sequence that occured to me (not from the joseki dictionary):

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . 1 . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , b . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 O 6 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 2 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . a . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

White must now play at 'a', not 'b'. If he plays at 'b':

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm7 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O B O 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 2 a . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Now there is a simultaneous capture at 'a', and if white plays it I can keep him disconnected by playing at :bc:.

_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.


This post by Dusk Eagle was liked by: Bill Spight
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #7 Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:00 am 
Judan

Posts: 7273
Liked others: 1864
Was liked: 2635
BTW, about the pie rule. IMO, komi is better, and my somewhat educated guess is that proper komi for Redstone on the 9x9 and larger boards is around 3. To implement it, just allow White 3 passes. :)

_________________
The Adkins Principle:

At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?

— Winona Adkins

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #8 Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:16 am 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 208
Location: Palo Alto, CA
Liked others: 11
Was liked: 15
Rank: zero
Bill Spight wrote:
just allow White 3 passes. :)

I'm game.

_________________
finito ludos regula

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #9 Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:38 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1752
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 366
Rank: KGS 2d
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm7 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Looking at this position more, I almost found a tesuji for white here.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X a 1 . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Black can't capture at 'a', because that allows white to connect.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . O X a O 2 . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Black tries to stop white with :b12:, but white continues with :w13:. This whole position hinges on not being the one that is forced to play the red stone at 'a'. But with :w13:, white is trying to force black's hand to play there. So is black doomed? I thought so at first, but then I saw:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 O B O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X a O X . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

With :b14:, black securely captures the two white stones and links up his groups. If white places a red stone at 'a', black cuts at :bc:.

Quick edit: I think black should skip :b12: and play :b14: directly.

_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #10 Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:17 am 
Lives with ko

Posts: 235
Location: Spain
Liked others: 146
Was liked: 22
Rank: Low
GD Posts: 10
Bill Spight wrote:
BTW, about the pie rule. IMO, komi is better, and my somewhat educated guess is that proper komi for Redstone on the 9x9 and larger boards is around 3. To implement it, just allow White 3 passes. :)

I don't have much experience with Redstone, but I suspect that would be too much. 3 passes for White would mean that he can afford to have 2 or 3 (depending on parity) eyes less than his opponent and still win. It seems that the number of eyes is roughly equivalent to the surrounded territory divided at least by 4, so 3 passes may be equivalent to an 8-12 komi, or even more, in Go.

_________________
Sum ergo non ero.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #11 Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:59 pm 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4470
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1558
Was liked: 637
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Ok, let's try the 3 passes thing. It certainly equates to 3 points in traditional Go scoring, which is equivalent to 3 komi, but whether it's equivalent in Redstone I've no idea. Bill's more likely to be the expert than me, and I must confess, I was kicking myself for not invoking the pie rule in this game, as I think moving first is likely to be a big advantage without a deliberately substandard move.


This post by topazg was liked by: Bill Spight
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #12 Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:18 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1752
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 366
Rank: KGS 2d
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #13 Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:22 pm 
Judan

Posts: 7273
Liked others: 1864
Was liked: 2635
topazg wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Ok, let's try the 3 passes thing. It certainly equates to 3 points in traditional Go scoring, which is equivalent to 3 komi, but whether it's equivalent in Redstone I've no idea. Bill's more likely to be the expert than me, and I must confess, I was kicking myself for not invoking the pie rule in this game, as I think moving first is likely to be a big advantage without a deliberately substandard move.


I think that luigi is more expert than I. :) And I do think that territory/4 is a reasonable estimate for eyes in the early endgame. However, such eyes are likely to produce more than one eventual eye. It may well be that proper komi is 1, but if so, I think that that would affect strategy (like preferring the second line). I would rather experiment with komi that is too high, as if that is right, it means a more go like strategy. Maybe 2 would be a good komi. :)

_________________
The Adkins Principle:

At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?

— Winona Adkins

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #14 Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:18 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4470
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1558
Was liked: 637
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


You may be quite right, but the value of passing is surely biggest when it reaches the stage of filling your own eyespace later, and as a result, it feels like it will be more closely represented by territory at that stage. I could be wrong, as eyes <> points of territory, and frankly, this is all out of my expertise anyway :D

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #15 Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:18 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1752
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 366
Rank: KGS 2d
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Let's pressure your group a bit.

_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #16 Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:06 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4470
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1558
Was liked: 637
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X 0 . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Let's defend it then :)

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #17 Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:50 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1752
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 366
Rank: KGS 2d
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


I guess that's allowed.

_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #18 Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:20 pm 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4470
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1558
Was liked: 637
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Now I have a useful sente in the top left, as well as pokey fun at the bottom I'm still quietly hopeful for:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . 1 . |
$$ | . . . 4 . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #19 Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:00 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1752
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 366
Rank: KGS 2d
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . 1 . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

I'm pretty thin on top, but it's really awkward to defend directly, and in addition he would get to play at :w2: below, which would expand his territory and make my group come under pressure.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . X . |
$$ | . . . 2 . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Post #20 Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:02 pm 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4470
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1558
Was liked: 637
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . 1 2 . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . , . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Contact?? Hane!!

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . 0 . . . X . |
$$ | . 5 1 2 8 X . . X O . |
$$ | . 9 O 3 6 . . , . O . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 60 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group