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Post #41 Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:35 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X 1 . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

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Post #42 Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:57 am 
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

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Post #43 Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:59 am 
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

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Post #44 Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:17 am 
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

One of my impressions on this game is that it isn't any harder to visualize outcomes in Redstone than in Go, but because I have a lot more experience with Go than this it's easy to overlook moves that work in this game but are ludicrous in Go (and also to play moves that work in Go but don't in Redstone). For example, if black plays at the point below he captures two stones, but it took me a while to see this because I wasn't expecting it.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

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Post #45 Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:28 am 
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | 8 X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . 9 7 O . . 0 . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

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Post #46 Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:37 am 
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Nice!

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[go]$$Bc Mutual capture
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 2 . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc Result
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . + . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Edit: Corrected error.

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Post #47 Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:00 pm 
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Oops! Previous comment was wrong. :(

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Post #48 Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:15 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . 1 . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Time to live(?) here.

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Post #49 Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:14 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . 1 . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Bah humbug. Time to test a theory...

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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . 1 . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O c . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O a O b X . . . . |
$$ | . X O d . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


"a" is horrible for me, which I'm trying to fix with "b", so I can let him capture at "c" and play at "d" or something, but nothing really works. This really is a crazy game on captures. But that made me think (careful Graham!):

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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 2 3 . |
$$ | . O O O 5 . . 1 6 X 4 |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm50 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . + 1 X . |
$$ | . O O O X . . X . X O |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Stuff dies really really easily in this game ....


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Post #50 Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:25 am 
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . X 3 X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Let's see this theory.

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Post #51 Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:41 am 
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 4 . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . X 3 X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Here goes!

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Post #52 Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:48 am 
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . 5 O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

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Post #53 Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:54 am 
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . 5 O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . 6 . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]



Bleh, cunning:

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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . 8 5 O 9 O . . |
$$ | . O O O . 6 7 X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

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Post #54 Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:28 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O 7 O . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

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Post #55 Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:34 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . 8 X O 9 O . . |
$$ | . O O O 7 O . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 0 . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

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Post #56 Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:45 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . + . O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X O . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Maybe I'm just missing a threat on my top group, but I'm going to change my move to here. (For the record, I saw this move back at :b39:, so your trigger isn't what made me realize this move existed).

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Post #57 Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:42 pm 
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Dusk Eagle wrote:
(For the record, I saw this move back at :b39:, so your trigger isn't what made me realize this move existed).
He speaks the truth. But even if he hadn't, that's the risk you take with triggers.

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Post #58 Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:57 am 
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Ooh, yeah, connection doesn't work does it. That sequence was partly frustation, I'd meant to atari from the edge, and then hane, and when I realised my last move didn't work, I just triggered something rather thoughtlessly it seems.

Still, from this point, winning looks rather unlikely, so I'll resign - very many thanks for the game :) :)

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Post #59 Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:47 am 
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Congrats to both players for a game well played.

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Post #60 Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:31 am 
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Thanks for the game topazg :).

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