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Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
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Author:  topazg [ Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X 1 . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Author:  Dusk Eagle [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Author:  topazg [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Author:  Dusk Eagle [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

One of my impressions on this game is that it isn't any harder to visualize outcomes in Redstone than in Go, but because I have a lot more experience with Go than this it's easy to overlook moves that work in this game but are ludicrous in Go (and also to play moves that work in Go but don't in Redstone). For example, if black plays at the point below he captures two stones, but it took me a while to see this because I wasn't expecting it.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Author:  topazg [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:28 am ]
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | 8 X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . 9 7 O . . 0 . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Author:  Bill Spight [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:37 am ]
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Nice!

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[go]$$Bc Mutual capture
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 2 . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc Result
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . + . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Edit: Corrected error.
Author:  Bill Spight [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Oops! Previous comment was wrong. :(
Author:  Dusk Eagle [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . 1 . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Time to live(?) here.
Author:  topazg [ Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:14 pm ]
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . 1 . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Bah humbug. Time to test a theory...

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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . 1 . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O c . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O a O b X . . . . |
$$ | . X O d . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


"a" is horrible for me, which I'm trying to fix with "b", so I can let him capture at "c" and play at "d" or something, but nothing really works. This really is a crazy game on captures. But that made me think (careful Graham!):

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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 2 3 . |
$$ | . O O O 5 . . 1 6 X 4 |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm50 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . + 1 X . |
$$ | . O O O X . . X . X O |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Stuff dies really really easily in this game ....
Author:  Dusk Eagle [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:25 am ]
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . X 3 X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Let's see this theory.
Author:  topazg [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:41 am ]
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 4 . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . X 3 X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Here goes!
Author:  Dusk Eagle [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . 5 O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Author:  topazg [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . 5 O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . 6 . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]



Bleh, cunning:

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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . 8 5 O 9 O . . |
$$ | . O O O . 6 7 X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Author:  Dusk Eagle [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:28 pm ]
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O 7 O . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Author:  topazg [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:34 pm ]
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . 8 X O 9 O . . |
$$ | . O O O 7 O . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 0 . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Author:  Dusk Eagle [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:45 pm ]
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . + . O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X O . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Maybe I'm just missing a threat on my top group, but I'm going to change my move to here. (For the record, I saw this move back at :b39:, so your trigger isn't what made me realize this move existed).
Author:  hyperpape [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Dusk Eagle wrote:
(For the record, I saw this move back at :b39:, so your trigger isn't what made me realize this move existed).
He speaks the truth. But even if he hadn't, that's the risk you take with triggers.
Author:  topazg [ Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Ooh, yeah, connection doesn't work does it. That sequence was partly frustation, I'd meant to atari from the edge, and then hane, and when I realised my last move didn't work, I just triggered something rather thoughtlessly it seems.

Still, from this point, winning looks rather unlikely, so I'll resign - very many thanks for the game :) :)
Author:  MarkSteere [ Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Congrats to both players for a game well played.
Author:  Dusk Eagle [ Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Thanks for the game topazg :).
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