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Author: | topazg [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
Have a great game How about a group tax of 4? |
Author: | christian freeling [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
Have fun (and check my name in the title ) I've heard the term 'group tax' as referring to an archaic rule set in Go. On the other hand there's 'group penalty' as in Symple, that can be varied, 4, 6, ... 12. Sygo has no such 'group penalty', so before there's confusion, what do you mean by 'group tax'. This game is mirrored at mindsports. |
Author: | topazg [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Feeling |
Ah, I meant group penalty, I was mixing up my rules |
Author: | christian freeling [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Feeling |
That close I can't afford to have you block my turn order compensation so I'll take it now. And I see you still have 'christian feeling' for opposition . |
Author: | topazg [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
Hehe, thanks, I've fixed the name thing, I've no idea how that typo happened! Your last move is interesting, and I would have thought it would have been illegal? I thought when making a move elsewhere on the compensation you'd still have to follow the rules of playing a stone not adjacent to any other stones? If that's not the case, what other rules apply - where is it allowed to be placed or not be placed? |
Author: | christian freeling [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
topazg wrote: Your last move is interesting, and I would have thought it would have been illegal? |
Author: | topazg [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
Mmm, I read the "As long as neither player has grown, black is entitled to grow and place a single in the same turn (implicitly that's only once)", but it wasn't clear that the single stone Black could place would not follow the normal single stone placement rules - Or was I just confused on those, you are allowed to place a stone anywhere that isn't orthogonally connected to your own stones, but your opponent's stones are fine? |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:54 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
Thanks to both players. This should be interesting. |
Author: | christian freeling [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
topazg wrote: Mmm, I read the "As long as neither player has grown, black is entitled to grow and place a single in the same turn (implicitly that's only once)", but it wasn't clear that the single stone Black could place would not follow the normal single stone placement rules - Or was I just confused on those, you are allowed to place a stone anywhere that isn't orthogonally connected to your own stones, but your opponent's stones are fine? The rules say * White moves first. On his turn a player may either put a stone on a vacant cell, not connected to a like-colored group, thereby creating a new group, or grow any or all of his groups by one stone. The idea that placement should be restricted, other than to distinguish between 'growing a group' and 'placing a single', is very un-Go. In general, I like mechanisms, especially 'organic' ones, to have maximum freedom , each within its own context. For maximum restiction, look elsewhere . |
Author: | topazg [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
Ah, ok, many thanks |
Author: | hyperpape [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
I should note that I'm playing a game against you on the mindsports site, Christian. |
Author: | christian freeling [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
hyperpape wrote: I should note that I'm playing a game against you on the mindsports site, Christian. Ah, Mr. Blank I presume? And we're also playing Havannah at LG . |
Author: | christian freeling [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
8 9 |
Author: | topazg [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
So far, this is rather interesting. I'm actually beginning to suspect that this is more territorial than normal Go... |
Author: | hyperpape [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
christian freeling wrote: hyperpape wrote: I should note that I'm playing a game against you on the mindsports site, Christian. Ah, Mr. Blank I presume? And we're also playing Havannah at LG . |
Author: | christian freeling [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
topazg wrote: So far, this is rather interesting. I'm actually beginning to suspect that this is more territorial than normal Go... I'm not sure how any game could be more territorial than Go. Less territorial, yes, we've seen that just recently, but more ... |
Author: | hyperpape [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
I think Topazg means in terms of the territory/influence tradeoff in Go. |
Author: | topazg [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
Author: | christian freeling [ Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
hyperpape wrote: I think Topazg means in terms of the territory/influence tradeoff in Go. Ah, I understand, but I'm not a very reliable judge regarding that comparison. I've seen games though where 'influence' paid off very well (usually for my opponent). At times you're forced to grow by a local situation where you'd rather would have started a new group. By the time you're out of the woods locally, the opponent has gained more infuence in the invasion area. Good play of course prevents one from getting in that predicament in the first place.But my two aren't even pennies at the moment. |
Author: | christian freeling [ Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:13 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sygovitch - topazg vs Christian Freeling |
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