Life In 19x19 :: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 4 . . . . . | $$ | . X . X 6 . . . O O . | $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . | $$ -----------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 7 . 4 . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . O O . | $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . | $$ -----------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . 7 7 . 4 . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . O O . | $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . | $$ -----------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 7 7 . 4 . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . O O . | $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . | $$ -----------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 7 7 . 4 . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . 7 . . O O . | $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . | $$ -----------------------[/go]

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Author:	MarkSteere [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:09 pm ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . 4 . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X . . . . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . 5 . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]`

Author:	hyperpape [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:16 pm ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . b a 4 . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X 6 . . . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . 5 . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]` If I understand the rules properly, , threatening either to followup at b or connect & capture at a looks very strong for White. It seems like it would be hard to ever capture the four stone group locally.

Author:	Bill Spight [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:28 pm ]
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hyperpape wrote: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . b a 4 . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X 6 . . . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . 5 . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]` If I understand the rules properly, , threatening either to followup at b or connect & capture at a looks very strong for White. It seems like it would be hard to ever capture the four stone group locally. Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . 7 . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . 7 . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O 7 O . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 7 7 4 . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X 6 . . . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . 5 . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]` Could Black reply with , starting at D-04?

Author:	MarkSteere [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:33 pm ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . 4 . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X 6 . . . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . 5 . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]` Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 7 . 4 . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X . . . . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . 5 . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]` Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . 7 7 . 4 . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X . . . . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . 5 . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]` Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 7 . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . 7 7 . 4 . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X . . . . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . 5 . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]` Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 7 . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . 7 7 . 4 . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X . 7 . . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . 5 . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]` Not recommended

Author:	luigi [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:42 pm ]
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MarkSteere wrote: Yours was turn 12. topazg wrote: Yeah, my bad, thanks Are you guys reading each other's hidden comments?

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Author:	hyperpape [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:46 pm ]
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Luigi, I think that's a case where Topazg saw the correction from the board, and it just happened to match Mark's hidden comments. Unless they're not following our usual convention and reading hidden comments. Seems I had rules blindness. The stone that forms a connection needn't itself be adjacent to an enemy stone. P.S. Assuming Mark read my comment, he was way ahead of where I was, so there was no harm done.

Author:	MarkSteere [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:02 pm ]
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hyperpape wrote: Unless they're not following our usual convention and reading hidden comments. Ohhhh, I thought the hiding was just to save space, and not interrupt the visual flow. I've been reading all the hidden comments, but I'll stop doing that now unless there's an "@ Mark". I do invite Graham to read my hidden comments though in this particular demo game.

Author:	hyperpape [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:10 pm ]
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As I said in my comment, you were so far ahead of me that I think there's no harm done in having read what I wrote.

Author:	MarkSteere [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:13 pm ]
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hyperpape wrote: no harm done ok cool

Author:	topazg [ Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:30 am ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . 4 . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X . . 6 . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . 5 . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]` @luigi: It's the 2nd time in a row I've made a diagram error, I was getting frustrated with myself, that's all The previous time you can't see (as I deleted and reposted so it would turn up as unread for Mark), but I made a capture and didn't make a subsequent move, and poor Mark had to PM me to get my butt in gear - then I go and mess up the move numbering The "My bad, thanks" wasn't supposed to be in hide tags at all

Author:	MarkSteere [ Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:54 am ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . 7 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . 4 . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X . . 6 . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . 5 . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]`

Author:	topazg [ Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:07 am ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . 8 . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . 7 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . 4 . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X . . 6 . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . 5 . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]`

Author:	MarkSteere [ Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:16 am ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . 9 . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . 8 . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . 7 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . 4 . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X . . 6 . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . 5 . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]`

Author:	topazg [ Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:20 am ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . 0 . . . . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . 9 . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . O . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X . . O . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . X . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]`

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Author:	MarkSteere [ Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:44 am ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . . . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . 1 \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . O . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X . . O . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . X . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]`

Author:	topazg [ Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:27 am ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . 2 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . . . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . 2 . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . O . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X . . O . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . X . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]`

Author:	MarkSteere [ Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:52 am ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . 2 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . . 3 \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . 2 . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . O . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X . . O . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . X . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]`

Author:	topazg [ Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:00 am ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . 4 . . . . . . . 2 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . 4 . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . 2 . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . O . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X . . O . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . X . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]`

Author:	MarkSteere [ Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:21 am ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . 4 . . 5 . . . . 2 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . 4 . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . 2 . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . O . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X . . O . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . X . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]`

Author:	topazg [ Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:34 am ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg $$ ----------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . 6 . . . . \| $$ \| . 4 . . 5 . . . . 2 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . 4 . \| $$ \| . O O . . . . O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . 2 . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . O . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . \| $$ \| . X . X . . O . O O . \| $$ \| X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . X . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------[/go]` I have a feeling this will gain a lot of othello-qualities very shortlu ...