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Post #41 Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:01 am 
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[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . 5 . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 7 . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

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Post #42 Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:58 am 
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[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . 5 . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 2 . |
$$ | 8 . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 7 . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Points remaining that don't lead to a capture:

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[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | a . a . . . 6 . . . a |
$$ | . 4 . . 5 . . . . 2 . |
$$ | a . . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 2 . |
$$ | 8 . O . . . b . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . a |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 7 . . a |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Unfortunately, the "b" points allow Mark control over parity - something which is a serious tactical consideration. I've pretty much lost this game I think, but I have learned a useful thing or two about strategy.

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Post #43 Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:03 am 
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[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | 9 . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . 5 . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 2 . |
$$ | 8 . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 7 . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

I can't resist reading your hides, Graham. It's a long way from over. Your k8 structure is pretty formidable. Last time I tried going small against a beginner in square Oust, I succeeded, but just barely.

Oust is not a game of parity like Dots and Boxes. It certainly can feel like it because the board gradually fills, leading to an "event" of some sort, like the first player who has to make a kill (assuming they're both reluctant), or the first to make a big group, etc. But such events are not decisive. Oust is a game of comebacks. Whoever loses the event can still win.

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Post #44 Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:50 am 
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We've already shown that I don't know a thing about this game, but can't Topazg play at the c points, which will help with uh... parity "stuff"?

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[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | a . a . . . 6 . . . a |
$$ | . 4 . . 5 . . c . 2 . |
$$ | a . . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . c |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 2 . |
$$ | 8 . O . . . b . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . a |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 7 . . a |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Also, after :w30: doesn't :b31: become a bad point for Mark? It gives him a 4-string and a safe point to play at e (unless Mark plays there, giving Topazg a 5-string.

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[go]$$Bcm29 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | 1 . 3 . e . O . . . a |
$$ | 2 O 4 4 X . . c . O . |
$$ | a . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . c |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . b . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . a |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . a |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

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Post #45 Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:05 pm 
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after :w30: doesn't :b31: become a bad point for Mark? It gives him a 4-string and a safe point to play at e (unless Mark plays there, giving Topazg a 5-string.

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[go]$$Bcm29 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | 1 . 3 . e . O . . . a |
$$ | 2 O 4 4 X . . c . O . |
$$ | a . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . c |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . b . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . a |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . a |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Yep, for 31 I'd probably move d11 instead.

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Post #46 Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:18 pm 
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$$ -----------------------
$$ | . 0 . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . 5 . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 2 . |
$$ | 8 . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 7 . . 0 |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Sorry, I'm being an idiot. Too much Loose! (was thinking the colours were going to flip on capture, it makes a huge difference that they don't) - my analysis will wait. This could easily be another gem of a game Mark :)

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[go]$$Bcm31 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . X . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | 1 . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

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Sorry, I'm being an idiot. Too much Loose! (was thinking the colours were going to flip on capture, it makes a huge difference that they don't) - my analysis will wait. This could easily be another gem of a game Mark :)

No worries :) At least now I don't have to wonder about the similarity with Othello :D

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Post #48 Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:14 pm 
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$$ -----------------------
$$ | . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . X . . . . O . |
$$ | 2 . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | 2 . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Haha, indeed :)

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$$ -----------------------
$$ | . O . . . . O . 3 . . |
$$ | . O . . X . . . . O . |
$$ | 2 . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | 2 . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

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$$ -----------------------
$$ | . O . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O . . X . . 4 . O . |
$$ | 2 . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | 2 . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

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$$ -----------------------
$$ | . O . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O . . X . . 4 . O . |
$$ | 2 . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | 2 . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

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$$ -----------------------
$$ | . O . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O . . X . . 4 . O . |
$$ | 2 . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . 6 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | 2 . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

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$$ -----------------------
$$ | . O . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O . . X . . 4 . O . |
$$ | 2 . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . 6 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . 7 . . O . |
$$ | 2 . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

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$$ -----------------------
$$ | . O . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O . . X . . 4 . O . |
$$ | 2 . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . 6 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . 7 . . O . |
$$ | 2 . O . O . . X . . 8 |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

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$$ -----------------------
$$ | . O . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O . . X . . 4 . O . |
$$ | 2 . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O . 9 . . O O . 6 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . 7 . . O . |
$$ | 2 . O . O . . X . . 8 |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

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Post #56 Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:43 pm 
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$$ -----------------------
$$ | . O . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O . . X . . 4 . O . |
$$ | 2 . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O 0 . . . O O . 6 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . 7 . . O . |
$$ | 2 . O . O . . X . . 8 |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . 5 . . 0 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Time to get exciting...

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[go]$$Bcm41 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . O . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O . . X . . O . O . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O O . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . . O . |
$$ | O . O . O . . X . . O |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X 1 . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]



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$$ -----------------------
$$ | . O . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O . . X . . O . O . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O O . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . . O . |
$$ | O . O . O . . X . . O |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . X . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X 1 . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bcm41 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . O . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O . . X . . O . O . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O O . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . . O . |
$$ | O . O . O . . X . . O |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . . 1 . |
$$ | X . . . X . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X 1 . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

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Time to get exciting...

It's a clear case of disagreeing with something that eats you ;-)

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$$ -----------------------
$$ | . O . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O . . X 2 . O . O . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O O . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . X . . O . |
$$ | O . O . O . . X . . O |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . . 1 . |
$$ | X . . . X . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X 1 . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

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topazg wrote:
Time to get exciting...

It's a clear case of disagreeing with something that eats you ;-)

Make that two dragons :)

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