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Post #101 Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:39 pm 
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[go]$$cm91 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . X . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . 3 . X . . . O |
$$ | 2 . . X . X . . . O C |
$$ | . X . . 1 . . . O 4 O |
$$ | . X X . . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . X X . . . . . O O |
$$ | . X X . . O O O O O O |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . O . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . O O |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm91 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . X . . O 4 . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . C . X . . . O |
$$ | 2 . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . X . . 1 . . . O 4 O |
$$ | . X X . . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . X X . . . . . O O |
$$ | . X X . . O O O O O O |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . O . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . O O |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm91 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . X . . O 4 4 . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . C . . . O |
$$ | 2 . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . X . . 1 . . . O 4 O |
$$ | . X X . . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . X X . . . . . O O |
$$ | . X X . . O O O O O O |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . O . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . O O |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm91 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . X . . O 4 4 . X 4 . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . O |
$$ | 2 . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . X . . 1 . . . O 4 O |
$$ | . X X . . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . X X . . . . . O O |
$$ | . X X . . O O O O O O |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . O . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . O O |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

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Post #102 Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:44 am 
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[go]$$cm91 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . X . . O 4 4 . X C . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . 5 . O |
$$ | 2 . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . X . . 1 . . . O 4 O |
$$ | . X X . . 5 O . O O . |
$$ | X . X X . . . . . O O |
$$ | . X X . . O O O O O O |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . O . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . O O |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

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Post #103 Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:57 am 
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[go]$$cm91 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . X . . O 4 4 . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . 5 . O |
$$ | 2 . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . X . . 1 . . . O 4 O |
$$ | . X X . . C O . O O . |
$$ | X . X X . 6 . . . O O |
$$ | . X X . . O O O O O O |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . O . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . O O |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm91 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . X . . O 4 4 . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . 5 . O |
$$ | 2 . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . C . . 1 . . . O 4 O |
$$ | . C C . . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . C C 6 6 . . . O O |
$$ | . C C . . O O O O O O |
$$ | . C C . . . O O . O . |
$$ | . C . . C . . O . O O |
$$ | C C C C C C . . O O . |
$$ | . C C . C . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm91 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . X . . O 4 4 . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . 5 . O |
$$ | 2 . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . O 4 O |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . 6 6 . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . O O O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | 6 . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Normally I'd offer you a revert, Graham, but your move provides an excellent demonstration of the type of gut wrenching, game ending blunder that can occur in Oust.

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Post #104 Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:30 pm 
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Review of certain moves, with Topazg playing White

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[go]$$c Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

No, don't kill everything.



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[go]$$cm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . 4 . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

No, because 16 enables Black to do the following, forcing White to kill. One of the central tactics is forcing your opponent to kill. Don't be killing willy nilly when you don't even have to.
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[go]$$cm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . 4 . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]




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[go]$$cm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

White's first good move. I was shocked.



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[go]$$cm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . . . . . 4 |
$$ | . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . 3 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

24 should have been:
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[go]$$cm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . . . . 4 . |
$$ | . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . 3 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

or the following, since knight move connections are weak. You can't join them and you can't squeeze another stone in between them.
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[go]$$cm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . 4 |
$$ | . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . 3 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]




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[go]$$cm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . O . . X . . 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . . . . . 4 |
$$ | . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 . . . . . O . 6 O . |
$$ | . 3 1 . 7 . . . . . 8 |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

Save 28 for later. White could move there any time. Better would have been A10 or B11, preventing Black from taking up two of White's spaces like this:
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[go]$$cm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | 9 . . O . . X . . 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . . . . . 4 |
$$ | . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 . . . . . O . 6 O . |
$$ | . 3 1 . 7 . . . . . 8 |
$$ -----------------------[/go]




Same game, but now Topazg is playing Black instead of White



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[go]$$cm51 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . O . . X 1 1 3 C |
$$ | . . . O O . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . 3 1 . X |
$$ | . O . O . C 3 C . X . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . X X X |
$$ | O . . . . O O . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O . . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

Terrible move when Black could have done the following, where White now has the option of killing and then using up a free move, or enabling Black to form a black 6 using 52.
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[go]$$cm51 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . O . . X 1 1 . 2 |
$$ | . . . O O . . 1 . 3 . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . 1 . X |
$$ | . O . O . O O O . X . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . X X X |
$$ | O . . . . O O . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O . . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]




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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . X . |
$$ | O . X . X . . X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X X X |
$$ | . X X . 1 O O . . X . |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

Terrible move. Black could have won the game with:
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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . X . |
$$ | C 1 X . X . . X . X . |
$$ | 1 . X X . . . . X X X |
$$ | . X X . . O O . . X . |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


That should give you a pretty good idea for now. Gotta get back to my tenor sax.

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Post #105 Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:54 pm 
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[go]$$c Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

No, don't kill everything.



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[go]$$cm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . 4 . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

No, because 16 enables Black to do the following, forcing White to kill. One of the central tactics is forcing your opponent to kill. Don't be killing willy nilly when you don't even have to.
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[go]$$cm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . 4 . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]




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[go]$$cm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

White's first good move. I was shocked.



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[go]$$cm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . . . . . 4 |
$$ | . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . 3 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

24 should have been:
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[go]$$cm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . . . . 4 . |
$$ | . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . 3 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

or the following, since knight move connections are weak. You can't join them and you can't squeeze another stone in between them.
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[go]$$cm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . 4 |
$$ | . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . 3 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]




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[go]$$cm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . O . . X . . 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . . . . . 4 |
$$ | . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 . . . . . O . 6 O . |
$$ | . 3 1 . 7 . . . . . 8 |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

Save 28 for later. White could move there any time. Better would have been A10 or B11, preventing Black from taking up two of White's spaces like this:
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[go]$$cm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | 9 . . O . . X . . 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . . . . . 4 |
$$ | . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 . . . . . O . 6 O . |
$$ | . 3 1 . 7 . . . . . 8 |
$$ -----------------------[/go]




Same game, but now Topazg is playing Black instead of White



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[go]$$cm51 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . O . . X 1 1 3 C |
$$ | . . . O O . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . 3 1 . X |
$$ | . O . O . C 3 C . X . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . X X X |
$$ | O . . . . O O . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O . . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

Terrible move when Black could have done the following, where White now has the option of killing and then using up a free move, or enabling Black to form a black 6 using 52.
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[go]$$cm51 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . O . . X 1 1 . 2 |
$$ | . . . O O . . 1 . 3 . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . 1 . X |
$$ | . O . O . O O O . X . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . X X X |
$$ | O . . . . O O . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O . . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]




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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . X . |
$$ | O . X . X . . X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X X X |
$$ | . X X . 1 O O . . X . |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

Terrible move. Black could have won the game with:
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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . X . |
$$ | C 1 X . X . . X . X . |
$$ | 1 . X X . . . . X X X |
$$ | . X X . . O O . . X . |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]




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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . 5 . |
$$ | . 7 X . X . . X . . 3 |
$$ | 7 . X X . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 8 4 |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . 6 . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O 9 . 8 |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

Terrible move (79). Gave White barely enough mass to turn the game around. Should have been:
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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . 5 . |
$$ | . 7 X . X . . X . . 3 |
$$ | 7 . X X . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 8 4 |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . 6 . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . 9 8 |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


That should give you a pretty good idea for now. Gotta get back to my tenor sax.

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Post #106 Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:01 pm 
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