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 Post subject: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck
Post #1 Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:24 pm 
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So, I've finally re-read the rules and will now set up the game :)

Rules below stolen from freegame at viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1010
"Quick rule overview:
1 hidden move
1 open scan costing 2 pt
3 base stones each worth 5pt (will lose 5pt when one gets captures)
plus zones are 5pt when played ( bonus will not be lost when stone gets captures. points are only awarded once for each zone)
minus zones are -5 points (points only deducted once)
each stone on the board is 1 pt (will lose the point when it gets captured)
when we have put a base stone on the same coordinate it gets removed and it turns into a minus zone.
after we each posted our hidden base they are revealed and we make a komi bet.
the rest is like normal go with area scoring."

My base:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:0, W:0
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | p . . . . X . . . . p |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

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Post #2 Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:13 pm 
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Enjoy the game illuck :).

My base:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:0, W:0
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | p . . . . , . . . . p |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . m B . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

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Post #3 Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:20 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:0, W:0
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . . p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

So, here's the starting configuration. Now, how does the komi bid work? I'm guessing we each post a value in a hide tag and the person who bids higher moves first? What happens in the event of a draw? Do we flip a coin?

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Post #4 Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:28 pm 
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Yeah, not sure what happens if we draw on komi auction, but let's not worry about it unless we actually manage it :)

My bid:
7.5 points

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Post #5 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:00 am 
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My bid:
10
Edit: I guess it should be a half point? If we're supposed to use half points, I'll make it 10.5 to be fair.

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Post #6 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:04 am 
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So, looks like I'll go first, with a komi of 10 (or 10.5) points for you. Now to come up with my move.

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Post #7 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:05 am 
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No need to widen it - it's more than I bid anyways. 10 is fine :) For some reason I doubt a draw is going to happen :p

Your move then :)

I have to say that his base is better on this board, but there's also a lot more weaknesses between them, so my position is not as bad as it may appear.

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Post #8 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:24 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:13, W:4
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . . p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

Alright then, enjoy the game.
His center stones seem inefficient. I bid high on the komi because I feel that with first move, I can destroy his chances of getting enough territory from his wall. He can try to target my stone on the right, but it has many different ways of living, and I don't think he'll get enough from it.

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Post #9 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:35 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:26, W:16
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . . p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . X . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


I modified the scores because the base stones are worth 5 points each.

I actually plan to use my hidden move early because there are a number of places that are very damaging.

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Post #10 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:24 pm 
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Post #11 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:12 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:26, W:17
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . O . . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . . p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

Make my right group strong.

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Post #12 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:11 pm 
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I'm going to use my hidden move here.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:26, W:17
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . O . . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . . p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


My hidden move:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:26, W:17
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W . . |
$$ | p . X . . B . . . . p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


There are at least 4 obvious hidden move spots on the board, so I thought I'd play it now. I would also like to see if I can bluff my opponent into thinking I have the hidden move in another area and play timidly in that area.

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Post #13 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:54 pm 
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Okay.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:26, W:18
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W . . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . . p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . O m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

I thought briefly he might do that, but I didn't think he would as it seems too early. What threat could he have made that couldn't be made later? Anyway, I suppose it's best to play a move that solidifies one of my groups without being a pass, and so this move seems like a good move to do that.

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Post #14 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:25 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:26, W:18
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W . . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . . p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


Not going to follow up on the hidden move yet (especially because after the last white move there's a connection underneath). This move probably tells my opponent my hidden move is on the left side, but I don't see what else I can do.

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Post #15 Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:05 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:26, W:18
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . B O . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W . . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . . p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

I don't know what he has planned. Did he place his hidden stone here?

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:26, W:18
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W . . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . C p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

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Post #16 Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:41 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:26, W:18
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . B W . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W X . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . . p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


Let's see if I can convince my opponent that my hidden move is at J6. In any case, this crosscut is usually a good move, so I don't really lose much by playing it anyways.

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Post #17 Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:44 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:26, W:18
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . B W . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W B . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . O p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

I think this is where his hidden move is.

Edit:
Or one above. Now that I think about it, one above is more likely, and I should've played something else or at least used a scan.

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Post #18 Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:50 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:26, W:18
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m . . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . X B W . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W B . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . W p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


This move would make sense if my hidden move were at J6, so perhaps white will capture?

In any case, I somehow missed this response - it is quite bad for me because the corner is unsecure if I just atari due to minus point aji. The game would be quite hopeless for me if white secures left side now.

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Post #19 Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:03 pm 
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We need to remember to keep track of the score after every move :P. Also, are we both just using stones with circles on them because we just thought that the other person is doing it that way?

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:29, W:21
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m O . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W B . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . W p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

Was that sequence by him a bluff? If so, I imagine his actual hidden move was a threat to cut my bottom-left keima, but if he didn't play there I don't want to waste a move reinforcing there. I'll solidify this top-left and make it hard for him to get enough points.

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Post #20 Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:17 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:30, W:21
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . m W . . . . m . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . B B W . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . W B . |
$$ | p . . . . B . . . W p |
$$ | . . W . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


Hehe, yeah, I was just going to fix the score this turn - I forgot after the hidden move.

I think I should be able to catch a base stone - I would still be behind, but feels playable if that happens.

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