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Post #1 Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:01 am 
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The Annual General Meeting looks to contain two motions on rating. One is about online ratings, we can only imagine what will happen there.

The second is about the control of submissions to the EuropeanGoDatabase. The proposal is basically that only accounts owned by National Go Associations should be allowed to submit tournament results. The idea is to ensure that tournaments really meet the required standards, and that nobody gets to use the databse for free. I imagine this might provoke some interest. There is some bad history with corrupt or incompetent official organisations in Europe. There is also a constant refusal from certain parts to close access to ratings.

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Post #2 Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:48 am 
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The second proposal would exclude WAGC for example from the EGD.

I have been trying to support go in Estonia, which is not yet member of the EGF. Their tournaments would also be excluded.

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Post #3 Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:08 am 
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Yes, that would be a negative aspect.

Strange point of trivia: Kazakhstan has never submitted a tournament to the EGD despite being an EGF member for many years.

Another point to consider - does the EGF really own the EGD? Not sure their relationship is like that.

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Post #4 Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:18 am 
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Also, the motion forces EGF to decide whether Russian Go Federarion or Ukrainian Go Federation is allowed to submit tournaments played in Krim are.

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Post #5 Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:19 am 
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Same in Northern Ireland, and perhaps in Spain too.

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Post #6 Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:40 am 
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Javaness2 wrote:
Another point to consider - does the EGF really own the EGD? Not sure their relationship is like that.

I quote from the regulations article 25:
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The EGF owns all Official European Ranking Lists and is the beneficial owner of any and all intellectual property rights which may now or at any time in the future exist anywhere in the world in respect of any data or information resulting from the ranking of players competing at the Events and Competitions held under its authority.

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Post #7 Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:02 pm 
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The EGF owns all Official European Ranking Lists and is the beneficial owner of any and all intellectual property rights which may now or at any time in the future exist anywhere in the world in respect of any data or information resulting from the ranking of players competing at the Events and Competitions held under its authority.


IANAL and all that, but I remain to be convinced that this is legal, especially the "anywhere in the world" bit.

Here's one entertaining view of the issue:

http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/05/co ... ctory.html


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Post #8 Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:29 am 
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This discussion path may be a bit too difficult for the General Meeting to tackle. :)

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Post #9 Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:59 am 
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The EGF ... is the beneficial owner of any and all intellectual property rights which may now or at any time in the future exist anywhere in the world in respect of any data or information resulting from the ranking of players competing at the Events and Competitions held under its authority.


The data is currently freely available via http://www.europeangodatabase.eu without any need to accept or agree to any terms of use declaring that the EGF lay claim to all "intellectual property" that may arise from use of that data. In fact, my scouring of the EGD website completely failed to reveal any terms of use in any form.

Regulations article 25 appears to be pure bluster.

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Post #10 Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:49 am 
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If the EGF doesn't be annoying about article 25 I won't be annoying about GDPR ;-)

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