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Poll ended at Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:26 am
Ilya Shikshin 44%  44%  [ 15 ]
Mateusz Surma 24%  24%  [ 8 ]
Cristian Pop 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Artem Kachanovskyi (unconfirmed) 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Lukas Podpera 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Andrii Kravets 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Csaba Mero 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Cornel Burzo 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Ondrej Silt 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Thomas Debarre 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Zhao Pei 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Dragos Bajneru 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Bogdan Zhurakovskyi 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Dusan Mitic 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Other (TimurSankin/ViktorLin) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 34
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Post #41 Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:55 pm 
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HermanHiddema wrote:
Where did you hear that?


It seems to have been corrected in the meantime, but the original email announcement of this tournament http://www.andalucia-go.org/index.php/en/tournaments-and-activities-of-agoa/seville-go-tournaments-col-210/162-xviii-seville-go-tournament-2015 spoke of 3p's and 2p's


It's a mistake. Just ignore it, they will fix it by today.

There are four european professional players now:
[*]Pavol Lisy 1p
[*]Ali Jabarin 1p
[*]Ilya Shikshin 1p
[*]Mateusz Surma 1p

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Post #42 Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:48 pm 
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Where did you hear that?


My guess is someone looked at his EGD page and saw his GoR as "2755 (3p)". In the EGF rating system 7d at 2700 is considered equivalent to 1p (New 1ps into the system are set at 2700) with 30 rating points per pro dan rank (rather than the 100 per amateur rank) so 2755 translates to 3p. When Pavol and Ali got their 1p they got reset to 2700, getting a rating point boost (from 2654 and a peak of 2686 for Pavol, and from 2658 (peak) for Ali, since then Pavol has risen to 2717 and Ali dropped to 2673). Ilya's 2755 on the other hand is earned from his skill in winning games rather than pro qualification tournaments, so it would be rather perverse if his rating were to be reset down to 2700!


I don't think they'd be so silly as to reset the GoR downwards :) This is not the first time the EGD has tricked somebody on the subject of a professional rank. Perhaps this means a change request is in order?!

On a side note, I think that the treatment of pro ratings is a bit naive. The idea that 3 ranks normally means 1 stone is something that seems to have handed down from folklore, and bears scant resemblance to reality.

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Post #43 Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:55 am 
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Javaness2 wrote:
On a side note, I think that the treatment of pro ratings is a bit naive. The idea that 3 ranks normally means 1 stone is something that seems to have handed down from folklore, and bears scant resemblance to reality.


Yes, but I don't think it matters much whether some Asian 9p has a GoR of 2940 or 3000 when a European 6/7d loses to them in the WMSG or such a tournament, and there's not a lot of those games either (and even if the European won somehow the change in rating points gained from beating someone 200 vs 300 GoR above you is not much). The resetting of new 1ps at 2700 when they are not 2700 strength seems potentially more important, but still rather minor. (I don't mean just the new European pros, but also how about Li Ting 1p for example who lost to 2 6ds in Strasbourg 2014).

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Post #44 Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:43 am 
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Javaness2 wrote:
On a side note, I think that the treatment of pro ratings is a bit naive. The idea that 3 ranks normally means 1 stone is something that seems to have handed down from folklore, and bears scant resemblance to reality.


Circa 1700 a difference of 2 pro ranks was equivalent to one handicap stone. It was common for pros to alternate between, say, giving the weaker pro 2 stones or 3 stones. By 1900 and earlier, pro ranks had tightened, so that a difference of 3 pro ranks was equivalent to one handicap stone. By 1980 or so, it seems like pro ranks had tightened even more, partly by having weaker 9 dans, and partly by having stronger shodans. Ing equated a difference of 4 pro ranks to one handicap stone. Pros don't seem to give handicaps to pros anymore, so who knows?

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Post #45 Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:44 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
The resetting of new 1ps at 2700 when they are not 2700 strength seems potentially more important, but still rather minor.


Weren't resets limited to rank changes of at least two levels even in lower ranks? 6d to 1p wouldn't apply.

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Post #46 Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:23 pm 
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I think the professional Go must behave professional, i.e. trying to go for the money. One way is to build up an image, a brand...and one important aspect is clothing. No top venture would sponsor guys that look like trivial students. Go tournaments and go players must be treated very closely to what composers and musicians in a classic orchestra are treated like. There must be a smell of elitarity around them and that starts with a dress and behaviour code. The next step has to be to choose only elitarian hotels for the top tournaments, even if that means less tournaments, continued by an constant push for publicity by trying to offer articles to big newspapers and to cover main matches through the Internet constantly. And then of course EGF has to use the advantage of the chaotic asian market and establish a simple world champ system very closely to what chess did till 1995.

I know that sounds bold and compromises a lot of inherent go values - it would destroy the loveliness of the small go community in the western world - but if you think professionally, if you want someone to "show you the money" you gotta act accordingly.


I think it would be counterproductive for go players to behave like professional footballers or pop stars.

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Post #47 Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:34 am 
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Bill Spight wrote:
Circa 1700 a difference of 2 pro ranks was equivalent to one handicap stone. It was common for pros to alternate between, say, giving the weaker pro 2 stones or 3 stones. By 1900 and earlier, pro ranks had tightened, so that a difference of 3 pro ranks was equivalent to one handicap stone. By 1980 or so, it seems like pro ranks had tightened even more, partly by having weaker 9 dans, and partly by having stronger shodans. Ing equated a difference of 4 pro ranks to one handicap stone. Pros don't seem to give handicaps to pros anymore, so who knows?


Nobody knows. Beyond which there are different professional associations whose professional ranks naturally may have different values. Then internally, male and female pro ranks can have different values. So yes, it is just this tale from history currently wearing mathematics as its underpants.

In the egd you can see that 6d to 1p has been reset, as has 7d to 1p

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Post #48 Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 9:34 am 
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The atmosphere is gentle, dont worry, if you dont know that it means you didnt participate on any european top events.

You can make a dress code, but everyone will ignore it :D. You play better moves if your clothes are comfortable.

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