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Post #1 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:35 pm 
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The EGCC has a board of 4 members, see http://www.go-centre.nl/tikiwiki/Foundation

Constitutionally it is obliged to have a board of 5 members http://www.go-centre.nl/tikiwiki/articl ... ssociation and it must have a supervisory board of 5 to 7 members.

Why doesn't it?

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Post #2 Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:01 am 
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hi i don't know the answer but did email the EGCC

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From: Willemien
To: admin@go-centre.nl

Subject: Questions on life in 19 x 19 about number of board members

Hi on life in 19 x 19 there was a question

The EGCC has a board of 4 members, see
http://www.go-centre.nl/tikiwiki/Foundation

Constitutionally it is obliged to have a board of 5 members
http://www.go-centre.nl/tikiwiki/articl ... ssociation and it must
have a supervisory board of 5 to 7 members.

Why doesn't it?

(direct link:
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=1483
)


can you answer it to me (or directly at life in 19 x 19)

I guess Javaness (the person ithat did ask this question) means the
MANAGEMENT as named in article 4)



I was wondering who are the members of the SUPERVISORY BOARD (article 12)

hope you can answer us

Thanks in advance



Will post the answer here when it comes

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Post #3 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:00 am 
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I don't know about the number of EGCC board members.
But one point that I tried to make at the AGM is that the two representatives of EGF member associations in the supervisory board should be elected by the AGM. Someone at the meeting had said that the supervisory board should appoint itself, which I don't think makes sense at all. This year, the EGF Executive nominated two candidates for the EGCC supervisory board, and they were accepted by the AGM. Both were excellent candidates I think, so that's ok. But in principle it is better if these two representatives are nominated in the usual way by the EGF members and elected at the AGM for a fixed term (like 3 years?) . Their main function is to ensure that the EGF members are confident in the way the EGCC is operated, so the key parameter is that they really represent the EGF members.

In the EGCC constitution it says:

"The Supervisory Board will consist of at least five and at
most seven members, of which at most two persons
on behalf of the European Go Federation;
at most three persons on behalf of the national Go associations
in Europe, of which two persons in accordance with an
appointment system to be developed by the European Go
Federation, and one person on behalf of the Dutch Go
association"

so what I'm saying is that the EGF should not run a system where the members of the Supervisory board appoint themselves, nor a system where the member representatives are appointed by the Executive (which is represented in the Supervisory board anyway).

Clearly there has been a lack of confidence in the way the EGCC has been operated, as evidenced by this year's criticism and proposals from the Romanian and Czech Go Federations:
http://eurogofed.org/egf/proposals2010ro.pdf
http://eurogofed.org/egf/proposals2010cz.pdf
Peter Zandveld has replied to the criticism on the EGCC website:
http://www.go-centre.nl/tikiwiki/egcc_for_dummies ,
in letters to the EGF members, at a pre-AGM meeting in Tampere and at the AGM itself. However, the intended mechanism to provide insight and confidence in the EGCC is through the EGF member representatives in the Supervisory Board. It's great that Catalin is now a member.

best regards,
Henric.

P.S. There are always less serious whiners out there who thrive and feed on rumours of dissent and discontent. The ex-representatives of Figg (Italy) Soletti & Corradi are running a complaints campaign at home and explain (in italian) to everybody that the EGF has wasted milions of euro on rubbish, that the European and International go has been run by a "little mafia", that the EGF is "corrupt", that the EGCC has squandered poor Iwamotos money, that the EGCC should have been built somewhere else etc. Example: http://www.figg.org/cgi-bin/view.cgi?id=2861&dName=soci . I think that sort of discussion should be held (if at all) here or in some international forum, in english, not on the Figg website, where only italians, who generally don't know much about the EGF and other international go entities, can read. But the cure spells transparency and the EGF members representatives of the EGCC supervisory board should be part of it.

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Post #4 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:27 am 
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I find the structure rather complicated. (maybe a bit more complicate because two stuctures are called board)



There is a staff of (at the moment) two people

There is a board of at least 5 members / trustees
the trustees are independent and appoint themselves (the supervisory council can veto trustees)
(the self appointing rule is standard for dutch trusts)


Then there is a supervisory board. / council of between 5 and 7 members
and if i read it correctly:

2 representatives of the EGF
1 representative of the Dutch Go Association
2 representatives of other national go associations. (unclear if the EGF decided which person or only decides which association)
1 represectative of the Japanese Chamber of Commerce
1 representative of the Japanese Embassy

So if i am correct the EGF can appoint 2 representatives for the supervisionary council.
(but not for the Board , they appoint themselves (but the supervisionary council can veto)
and the EGF has also something to do with at least 2 other represetatives

And if i read the summery of the EGF AGM (http://www.eurogofed.org/egf/agm2010sum.txt) correctly the EGF has choosen
Jean-Yves Papazoglou and Catalin Taranu

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