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Author:  emeraldemon [ Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:40 am ]
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Not sure exactly what you mean, but I'm pretty sure the black stones can't escape capture:

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[go]$$ I think these stones are doomed
$$ | X O X X . . . . . O O O . O . . . O X |
$$ | . O X , X . . . . X O X X X X X X X . |
$$ | O . O X O X . . . X O O X . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . . . . X X O . O . . X . |
$$ | O O . . O X . . . X . X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . . . O X O . . X O X X |
$$ | . X X . O . . . . X X O O . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . , . . . . . O B O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . O B O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . O . O B B O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 Black tries to escape...
$$ | X O X X . . . . . O O O . O . . . O X |
$$ | . O X , X . . . . X O X X X X X X X . |
$$ | O . O X O X . . . X O O X . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . . . . X X O . O . . X . |
$$ | O O . . O X . . . X . X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . . . O X O . . X O X X |
$$ | . X X . O . . . . X X O O . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . , . . . . 2 O X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O . 4 1 O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . O 3 O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 But doesn't succeed
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$$ | . O X , X . . . . X O X X X X X X X . |
$$ | O . O X O X . . . X O O X . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . . . . X X O . O . . X . |
$$ | O O . . O X . . . X . X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X . . . O X O . . X O X X |
$$ | . X X . O . . . . X X O O . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . , . . . . O O X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O . O 6 O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . 0 X 9 8 7 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




I played five ranked games, won 2 (including the one above) and lost 3. I'll put up some more analysis in a bit, I think I'll probably put at least one of the games on the game review forum for comments.
Author:  emeraldemon [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:08 pm ]
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A quick recap:

I played a bunch of games last week and this week, my final record was 5 wins, 8 losses. This is pretty frustrating: every time I break into 1 kyu, I lose and go back to 2 kyu. It's hard to say what effect the L&D had, perhaps I didn't do enough of them, or chose too easy problems. Mostly I did the Beginner Exercises on SL. 300 problems over a month gives about 10 problems a day, most of them were quite easy. If I do this again I'll pick harder ones.

This month: Replaying Pro games, starting with the most recent Samsung final, which just ended:

[sgf-full]http://igokisen.web.fc2.com/15scf1.sgf[/sgf-full]
Author:  karaklis [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:14 pm ]
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Are you going to memorize this professionals' match or just replay it? Do you have game commentaries?
Author:  emeraldemon [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:06 pm ]
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I don't have game commentaries for these, although I may spend some time later on Invincible, which does have lots commentaries. I'm basically memorizing them: I replay it until I can reproduce it without looking at the record. I often forget them shortly after though.
Author:  Stable [ Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:59 am ]
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This is a really intersting idea, keep it up! There's lots of places with a few commented games available for free online, and it would probably help you to use them. eg there's 38 at go4go here: http://www.go4go.net/v2/modules/alex/sample.php
Author:  aleisme [ Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:01 pm ]
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I like the plan and ideas you have to see if any one field of study well help you improve more than another, but i think to get serious results on which helps you to improve faster you would need weaker people, but not so weak they dont understand what they're studying. probably around 15-10k. although id love to see a study involving people that have just learned the game over a long period of time (6 months?) with each field of study playing a ranking game about once a week. im sure the people playing games would improve most initially...but i wonder if they would plateau earlier than those doing a specific study
Author:  emeraldemon [ Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:59 pm ]
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aleisme wrote:
I like the plan and ideas you have to see if any one field of study well help you improve more than another, but i think to get serious results on which helps you to improve faster you would need weaker people, but not so weak they dont understand what they're studying. probably around 15-10k. although id love to see a study involving people that have just learned the game over a long period of time (6 months?) with each field of study playing a ranking game about once a week. im sure the people playing games would improve most initially...but i wonder if they would plateau earlier than those doing a specific study



This sounds good, but I cannot make myself weaker :lol:

And I cannot make others volunteer to be my guinea pigs. I suppose I could try to draw some DDKs in with offers of reward (maybe game reviews)?
Author:  aleisme [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:37 am ]
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emeraldemon wrote:
This sounds good, but I cannot make myself weaker :lol:

And I cannot make others volunteer to be my guinea pigs. I suppose I could try to draw some DDKs in with offers of reward (maybe game reviews)?

well you certainly won't with that attitude :D

sadly I doubt getting anyone to commit to such monotonous training would be possible, as would making them continue regularly with the study...I suppose if I open up an orphanage I could get the appropriate number of test subjects that I am capable of controlling to the proper extent.

...anyone care to help open up an orphanage or donate children to the cause? :twisted:
Author:  Perception [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:50 pm ]
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I feel like if all you're going to do is tsumego for a month you have to do a lot of it.

I was away without internet or a go board with me for the past two weeks only problem books so I did a lot of problems in that time. I don't think 10 a day, unless they are difficult problems and it takes at least a few minutes per problem, is going to help much if it's all you do (not playing or studying anything else).

I can't comment on the pro game memorizing/studying since I haven't done a lot of it (yet) but I'll be interested to hear how much you did and if you feel like it helped.
Author:  emeraldemon [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:17 pm ]
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It's true, I didn't do as much tsumego as I hoped I would do. And I haven't done as much pro study as I hoped I would do. But I only devote so much time in my life to go, I have to do some other things also :o . I think that perhaps enthusiasm should be part of the experiment: If I find myself really enjoying pro reviews, maybe I do it more than I did tsumego, with the relevant effect.
Author:  shapenaji [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:39 pm ]
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I dunno, in response to the earlier comment about minimal data being better than no data... I strongly disagree, Drawing a conclusion in this case can point you in entirely the wrong direction...

Now, if it's about what's best for you, I don't think you need to spend any time working on mathematical rigor, It's a subjective answer to a subjective question, it's about how you feel.
Author:  emeraldemon [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:37 pm ]
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Finished memorizing first Samsung, and also the second. Went to a lecture by Jung Hoon Lee (AGA 7d), were he discussed the opening of the last game of the Nongshim Cup, so I may look at that some. Month is almost over, need to play some more evaluation games, but I've been on a losing streak this month, unfortunately.
Author:  SoDesuNe [ Thu May 26, 2011 9:40 am ]
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Are you still on it? Can you already give some insight, what you think is the best approach?
Author:  emeraldemon [ Thu May 26, 2011 9:53 am ]
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No, I haven't been studying much lately, partly because of work, partly because of starcraft. I still like the idea though, and I think I'll come back to it eventually, maybe try a little harder to get the studying in.
Author:  Stable [ Fri May 27, 2011 7:37 am ]
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Recently almost the only studying I've been doing is replaying and trying to guess the next moves of Takemiya Masaki games. It's been interesting and fun, and I at least haven't got much weaker. :cool:
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