owh, I see. the answering is at one point jump than hoshi point. I got this info from one of my game in OGS. so, please choose one or make the new one.Boidhre wrote:You're thinking of regular 3,3 josekies. I'm talking about 3,3 josekies when black has a small knight's enclosure or similar on one side.
hello, jts. can u show us the details diagram? I still don't get it. thanks beforejts wrote:Actually, w can hane under at the 4-2 point to get a ko, iirc. But if I understand correctly what you're saying, Boidhre - someone invaded your enclosure and lived outright - it's not really a matter of memorizing joseki, but of sharpening your instincts for life and death.
No, I invaded and lived outright so um, yeah.jts wrote:Actually, w can hane under at the 4-2 point to get a ko, iirc. But if I understand correctly what you're saying, Boidhre - someone invaded your enclosure and lived outright - it's not really a matter of memorizing joseki, but of sharpening your instincts for life and death.
I rest my case.Boidhre wrote:No, I invaded and lived outright so um, yeah.jts wrote:Actually, w can hane under at the 4-2 point to get a ko, iirc. But if I understand correctly what you're saying, Boidhre - someone invaded your enclosure and lived outright - it's not really a matter of memorizing joseki, but of sharpening your instincts for life and death.
But afterwards I figured that I should have died there.
No, don't study joseki yet. If you read and play what you think is the best move, you will be playing joseki. Afterwards, you can check on a site like dailyjoseki.com if other people had played it. If they hadn't... then you have to figure out why.Boidhre wrote:Do I need to care about joseki? I won a game and got to 12k but I didn't know the joseki for a 33 invasion into a single encosure hoshi. Or at my level can I just fight instead. Since most of my opponents seem as clueless as me about joseki.
Certainly, if you feel flummoxed after a game by a certain corner exchange, your first instinct should be to ask a stronger player to review it with you and your second instinct should be to consult a joseki dictionary to get some ideas.illluck wrote:I have to disagree with oren. There's really no need to reinvent the wheel and remember inferior sequences- at least look up the most common situations (e.g. sansna invasion into just the 4-4, into 4-4 with keima, into 4-4 with ogeima). A lot of the shapes and sequences in those situations are also applicable in other places.
bakekoq wrote:hello, jts. can u show us the details diagram? I still don't get it. thanks beforejts wrote:Actually, w can hane under at the 4-2 point to get a ko, iirc.
, for example; W's high stone at K16 is begging to be finished off with a low stone at O17 (which is already a big approach, isn't it?), so this is a big move for either player. Because W is so high, even after he plays O17 you can try strong-arm tactics like the H17 invasion; but of course, this will just transfer W's strength from the top side to the center.