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Author: | Charles Matthews [ Mon May 18, 2015 11:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
Bill Spight wrote: To second what Charles says: A play like ![]() Here ![]() White has at least got into a different game here. |
Author: | Javaness2 [ Mon May 18, 2015 12:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
I think that at your level, aiming to become 5 dan by December is a critical mistake in your training programme. The correct level which you should be aiming for is 1 dan, after which, you can decide whether you want to spend any more time seriously improving. If you made 1 dan, then you can understand that you actually have some talent for the game. You can then consider making 2 dan ( rakish) 3 dan ( shabby ) , 4 dan ( frumos baby ) or 5 dan ( satisfactory ) |
Author: | Uberdude [ Mon May 18, 2015 1:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
<Harsh reality> Was 5 dan by December serious? It seemed pretty ludicrous to me. I mean this thread started in August 2014 and Elom was 4k KGS back then. That gives 16 months to improve 8 stones, so 1 stone every 2 months if we assume linear improvement (actually improvement gets slower as you get stronger), so he should be at least 1d by now already. But the reality is what? Still 4k? Maybe 2k by Christmas is more appropriate? </Harsh reality> |
Author: | Elom [ Tue May 19, 2015 1:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
Thank you very much Matthews and Spight for your analysis! It does seem very hard for white to move at this point (it was a four-stone handicap game), thinking that playing in the center would be okay is clearly wrong when I re-counted ![]() ![]() Javaness2 wrote: I think that at your level, aiming to become 5 dan by December is a critical mistake in your training programme. The correct level which you should be aiming for is 1 dan, after which, you can decide whether you want to spend any more time seriously improving. If you made 1 dan, then you can understand that you actually have some talent for the game. You can then consider making 2 dan ( rakish) 3 dan ( shabby ) , 4 dan ( frumos baby ) or 5 dan ( satisfactory ) Thanks for your post, I think your absolutely correct (I'm grateful for you just saying it's a critical mistake, it's probably a bit worse than that ![]() ![]() ![]() Yes Uberdude, although I should be a lot stronger than 1d by now ![]() ![]() But now I realise I should work harder to at least match the annoyingly chest-thumping, overzealous language I have sometimes used effort-wise, so I must try even more now to chase these wild aims ![]() |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Tue May 19, 2015 7:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
Elom wrote: Thank you very much Matthews and Spight for your analysis! It does seem very hard for white to move at this point (it was a four-stone handicap game) ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Elom [ Fri May 22, 2015 12:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
So, in order to improve faster and better, and to find out what may happen, a small "plan" or "regime" might be a good idea. Not to make excuses, but, one reason for the lack of training, and therefore growth, was fatigue. So one needs to be more disciplined ![]() ![]() I'll probably aim to solve approximately 150 tsumego a week (50% easier, 50% intermediate) with 25 pro games, but the more major training will occur in July. For now, I'm mainly going to try to play more games; due to the low number of recent games spread over different servers, my rank is, in plain terms, erratic and unknown. If I can get a solid 1d account on two servers by the end of june, that would be great! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Bki [ Fri May 22, 2015 1:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
Elom wrote: Not to make excuses, but, one reason for the lack of training, and therefore growth, was fatigue. So one needs to be more disciplined ![]() ![]() Certainly, you're right. One thing I found that help me (it might be different for you, of course), is to set up a daily routine, and give yourself goals for each day. So, rather than saying you want to do 150 problems per week, you try to do 25 per day. It may work even better if you do them roughly at the same time every day. It can be while eating breakfast, or before going to sleep, or at some other point that you find suitable. It's certainly better than to find yourself do only ~10 problem per day until the last, where you try to do 100 at once, and get tired and bored because of that. |
Author: | Elom [ Sat May 23, 2015 7:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
Bki wrote: Elom wrote: Not to make excuses, but, one reason for the lack of training, and therefore growth, was fatigue. So one needs to be more disciplined ![]() ![]() Certainly, you're right. One thing I found that help me (it might be different for you, of course), is to set up a daily routine, and give yourself goals for each day. So, rather than saying you want to do 150 problems per week, you try to do 25 per day. It may work even better if you do them roughly at the same time every day. It can be while eating breakfast, or before going to sleep, or at some other point that you find suitable. It's certainly better than to find yourself do only ~10 problem per day until the last, where you try to do 100 at once, and get tired and bored because of that. Thanks bki, I think that's a good idea-- in fact, I thought of splitting 30 a day into 3 sessions at regular intervals. The factor of accomplishing tasks must certainly be a good thing! Maybe it depends partly on if the will is there or not ![]() |
Author: | Elom [ Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
Hi, this is a game from the OGS Mingren Tournament. In an effort to improve with the best quality training, I've decided to regularly attempt the most challenging or riskier line of play for the time being; even if a move doesn't seem like it would lead to victory, it should still be played if it provides the the harder game or means taking on more responsibilities. This means that there's a lot of short term losses in this plan, especially when combined with the fact that it seems as if I've had to somehow re-coordinate my go since the short break from actual play, leading to erratic results despite maybe "feeling" slightly stronger compared to before. In this game I wonder where the best move for black is around 102. Having now played correspondence, I've very much warmed up to the change of pace and would play it more regularly. It's especially exiting when I don't refer to joseki books and make sure not click the stones for reading-- stretching your reading is one of the beneficial aspects, and after all, I have to fight... nb: it seems OGS is weaker than KGS, so I increased the rank two stones here. |
Author: | Kodey [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
Your aim is to do 150 tsumego a week. Where are you finding them all? I'm aiming to do more tsumego and need a good source of alot of them. |
Author: | Charles Matthews [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
Elom wrote: In an effort to improve with the best quality training, I've decided to regularly attempt the most challenging or riskier line of play for the time being; even if a move doesn't seem like it would lead to victory, it should still be played if it provides the the harder game or means taking on more responsibilities. Deja vu was hitting me in the early stages. Could be that you are working on a rationale for the way Kajiwara used to play? The query you had about 102: I don't have a pat answer. I think playing out all four corners in the fashion you did wasn't beneficial. The lower left should be the key to analysis, since you got a somewhat broken overall result there. I don't like ![]() ![]() ![]() So something had to work in this game for Black, but the fighting sort of blurred into one ... |
Author: | SoDesuNe [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
Kodey wrote: Your aim is to do 150 tsumego a week. Where are you finding them all? I'm aiming to do more tsumego and need a good source of alot of them. Free sources (for your level): http://senseis.xmp.net/?BeginnerExercises (340 problems) http://senseis.xmp.net/?KyuExercises (212 problems) https://gogameguru.com/get-better-at-go/go-problems/ (131 easy ones) http://www.hitachi.co.jp/Sp/tsumego/past/index-e.html (996 elementary problems) Books (for your level): Graded Go Problems for Beginners vol. 1-2 Tesuji by James Davies 1001 Life-and-Death Problems |
Author: | Elom [ Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
SoDesuNe points out some good problems ![]() Charles Matthews wrote: Elom wrote: In an effort to improve with the best quality training, I've decided to regularly attempt the most challenging or riskier line of play for the time being; even if a move doesn't seem like it would lead to victory, it should still be played if it provides the the harder game or means taking on more responsibilities. Deja vu was hitting me in the early stages. Could be that you are working on a rationale for the way Kajiwara used to play? The query you had about 102: I don't have a pat answer. I think playing out all four corners in the fashion you did wasn't beneficial. The lower left should be the key to analysis, since you got a somewhat broken overall result there. I don't like ![]() ![]() ![]() So something had to work in this game for Black, but the fighting sort of blurred into one ... Thank you very much! Especially for pointing out 41. 71 was also very helpful never realised it seemed as if I was mimicing Kajiwara, I'm not sure of how he used to play! |
Author: | OtakuViking [ Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
About tsumego goals, I think it's more useful if you set a time spent goal for each day or the entire week as a total. The number of tsumego is (not entirely, but still quite) irrelevant, compared to the reading practice you get out of it. People often recommend doing alot of easy problems, but if you never challenge yourself with problems just a tad above your current level, then how are you going to get stronger Go muscles? 150 easy/your own level tsumego a week isn't a very tough goal to achieve, but 150 challenging (again, not impossible, just challenging solvable in 5-15 min) tsumego a week is quite a different matter. That is why I recommend setting a time for yourself each day, like 1 hour or whatever you may be comfortable with. |
Author: | Elom [ Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
Thanks, that's a nice idea. It would probably take around 60 minutes in total to solve 15 elementary and 15 intermediate problems on hitach (solving thoroughly but at a challenging speed). Maybe you can use a hybrid system: X amount of problems per day within X time frame, and use whatever time left to solve more tsumego ![]() |
Author: | Elom [ Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
b83 is probably a mistake. b89 too. |
Author: | Elom [ Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:30 pm ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt | ||
This is one of the more interesting games I've played recently. The strategy kept changing throughout the game. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Author: | schawipp [ Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
In move ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Edit: Quote: ![]() IMHO ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Sennahoj [ Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
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Author: | Elom [ Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The way to BlackBelt |
schawipp wrote: In move ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IMHO ![]() ![]() Yes, 33 and 35 are definite mistakes, but I didn't want to flood the board with my comments ![]() schawipp wrote: In move ![]() Edit: Quote: ![]() IMHO ![]() ![]() I meant move 137! ![]() Sennahoj wrote: ![]() Thanks for the link to the video! I'll definitely take a look. |
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